Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) ‎ ‎

[AnimalMother73]

Given the value around the league for young top 3/4 defensemen I can't see any team trading one they just acquired the season before, especially given the plethora of goalies likely to flood the market. Varly is not likely to have the value given upcoming expansion.

 

[PAZ]

Crazy theory time. Avs had been shopping Barrie earlier with the assumption that there was no way they could pay him and fit the rest of their moves under the cap. However, a certain aging vet has suddenly agreed to waive his NTC to go back home for his swan song. And now the Avs suddenly have the cap room to make their moves with Barrie remaining in the fold.

I'm calling it now. Varly, 10th, 71st, Iginla to Calgary for Hamilton and the 35th.

Barrie, Hamilton, Beauch, Zadarov, EJ.

This trade would be very shortsighted, we'd lose one of Zadarov, EJ, Hamilton, or Barrie next year to the expansion draft.

 

[hockeyfish]

Barrie, Hamilton, Beauch, Zadarov, EJ.

This trade would be very shortsighted, we'd lose one of Zadarov, EJ, Hamilton, or Barrie next year to the expansion draft.

If we are keeping Barrie, there really is no way to upgrade the D and not lose someone.

 

[McMetal]

If we are keeping Barrie, there really is no way to upgrade the D and not lose someone.

The way to upgrade the D then is to play Zadorov and Bigras instead of Guenin and Redmond. The D is actually a lot better than people think if we just write in what we already have under contract. There will be growing pains, but as stated, there's no way to upgrade the defense without throwing away an asset this time next year.

 

[agentblack]

Is the 10th overall for Fowler realistic?

 

[Avs_19]

Not targeting you Avs19, but why is there such a perception that Martinsen can't get any better? Yeah, I know he's on the older side of prospects, but he did improve as the season went along. I just think it's naive to think he will stagnate and is already in his prime. Sorry, but I am not buying that as of now.

I just don't see the offensive skill and I don't think he's good defensively. The thing he can do well is use his size and protect the puck but he doesn't even do that consistently. It's only his first year in the NHL so maybe he'll improve but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I think Martinsen has room to grow into a 10-15 goal 4th liner. That isn't a very common player either, they're hard to find with Martinsen's skillset.

To put things into perspective, I don't say that often. Back when everyone loved Quincey, Cumiskey, Svatos, etc. i felt they were overperforming, Martinsen on the other hand I see as the rare type to only get better as he trains with NHLers. I doubt he becomes good enough to be a regular third liner, but he has some potential to be an ideal fourth line winger that drops the gloves when needed.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Martinsen could grow into a dime a dozen nhler... Just keep him in the AHL for as long as possible then the 12/13 forward. None of that top 6 or even top 9 nonsense.

 

[bohlmeister]

Everberg was twice the hockey player Martinsen is. IMO anyways. Ev was much smarter.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Crazy theory time. Avs had been shopping Barrie earlier with the assumption that there was no way they could pay him and fit the rest of their moves under the cap. However, a certain aging vet has suddenly agreed to waive his NTC to go back home for his swan song. And now the Avs suddenly have the cap room to make their moves with Barrie remaining in the fold.

I'm calling it now. Varly, 10th, 71st, Iginla to Calgary for Hamilton and the 35th.

Yeah, someone really likes Hamilton. I've never seen it personally. He reminds me of Myers, without Myers Calder season.

Barrie, Hamilton, Beauch, Zadarov, EJ.

This trade would be very shortsighted, we'd lose one of Zadarov, EJ, Hamilton, or Barrie next year to the expansion draft.

If we are keeping Barrie, there really is no way to upgrade the D and not lose someone.

Or you know, we could buyout FB.

I just don't see the point of having Barrie and Hamilton personally. Neither of them are great defensively and need sound partners, and then we have Zadorov as well. We need someone who can actually play defense.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Yeah we can basically do nothing besides adding a UFA RW, and signing Barrie and MacK.

If MacK ends up with a bridge deal we might be able to upgrade the bottom pairing.

This is do nothing, except Compher makes the team, and signing a UFA RW. You hit 73M with 8D and 13 forwards.

You might have to run with 7D to get under the cap. This is obviously with Stuart on LTIR. If they can't pull that off then we are not adding a damn thing except Compher and Rantanen.

That's also in the hope that the players use the 5% and we get to 73M as has been speculated.

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Rightwing: A. Radulov ($6,000,000) - M. Duchene ($6,000,000) - J. Compher ($925,000) - J. Iginla ($5,333,333) - J. Skille ($850,000)
Centre: N. MacKinnon ($6,000,000) - C. Soderberg ($4,750,000) - M. Rantanen ($894,167) - J. Mitchell ($1,800,000)
Leftwing: M. Grigorenko ($1,000,000) - G. Landeskog ($5,571,429) - B. Comeau ($2,400,000) - C. McLeod ($1,333,333)

DEFENSE (8)
Right: E. Johnson ($6,000,000) - F. Beauchemin ($4,500,000) - N. Holden ($1,650,000) - E. Gelinas ($1,575,000)
Left: T. Barrie ($6,500,000) - N. Zadorov ($894,167) - C. Bigras ($843,333) - D. Siemens ($900,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
S. Varlamov ($5,900,000) - C. Pickard ($1,000,000)

AHL BURIED
R. Berra ($500,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
NHL Salary Cap: $71,400,000
Cap Hit: $73,119,762
Cap Space: $-1,719,762

Edit : I guess this is proof though that you can have 6 forwards making 5M or more, but unfortunately our 6th is more of a 4th liner/power play specialist. lol

just proves how tough it is going to be to improve offense and defense without getting rid of Iggy or Varly. If we could somehow offload Mitchell & Holden and replace them with equal players at half the price I'd consider that a win. Cowen (though I'd prefer a righty) and Jarret Stoll/Kyle Brodziak come to mind.

Serious question... Which do you choose

Boedker at 5M/yr for 6 years

Eriksson at 6M/yr for 5 years

Ladd at 6M/yr for 5 years

Backes at 6M/yr for 5 years

Lucic at 6M/yr for 5 years

Assuming we miss out on Radulov, and they look into the UFA market.

Eriksson easily for me. Backes & Ladd will slow down because of their style. Eriksson plays silky smooth and relies on hockey sense. Lucic is tempting but he lacks hockey sense. Boedker is a one dimensional winger that is soft as butter. Eriksson would actually be perfect for this team.

Everberg was twice the hockey player Martinsen is. IMO anyways. Ev was much smarter.

Agreed. I was hoping he'd be a reguler 4th liner/pk specialist for us now.

 

[dahrougem2]

Everberg was twice the hockey player Martinsen is. IMO anyways. Ev was much smarter.

Watching the Penguins cup run, I couldn't help but think that Everberg and Tom Kuhnhackl are very, very similar players. Kuhnhackl seemed to play a little more physical, but every time I saw him out there taking a regular shift I couldn't help but think of Everberg.

Those players, even if it's a small role, are very valuable to a team. Cheap, trustworthy, and can provide some offence.

 

[PAZ]

Watching the Penguins cup run, I couldn't help but think that Everberg and Tom Kuhnhackl are very, very similar players. Kuhnhackl seemed to play a little more physical, but every time I saw him out there taking a regular shift I couldn't help but think of Everberg.

Those players, even if it's a small role, are very valuable to a team. Cheap, trustworthy, and can provide some offence.

I think Kuhnhackl can actually finish though. Everberg did create offense, but he did have an issue with finishing in the NHL. Would've been nice to keep him, too bad Penguins cup run didn't come a year before so Roy could take notes and play him over Martinsen, McLeod, etc. McLeod was actually decent in the 4th line role last year, but i'd rather have a player with more potential like Everberg getting playing time.

 

[PAZ]

Also curious, when the Drouin rumours were swirling there was talks on this board about a Drouin for Bigras swap. Would people still be against that trade in retrospect?

 

[lonelybadger]

Also curious, when the Drouin rumours were swirling there was talks on this board about a Drouin for Bigras swap. Would people still be against that trade in retrospect?

I wish that happened.

 

[AslanRH]

Barrie, Hamilton, Beauch, Zadarov, EJ.

This trade would be very shortsighted, we'd lose one of Zadarov, EJ, Hamilton, or Barrie next year to the expansion draft.

I think you have to consider asking Beauch to waive or buy him out at that point.

Beauch isn't good enough that if you can get the longer term piece, you pass it up just for 1 more year of a 37 year old vet.

 

[Ivan13]

I think you have to consider asking Beauch to waive or buy him out at that point.

Beauch isn't good enough that if you can get the longer term piece, you pass it up just for 1 more year of a 37 year old vet.

What if you can protect only 3 D?

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Also curious, when the Drouin rumours were swirling there was talks on this board about a Drouin for Bigras swap. Would people still be against that trade in retrospect?

100% yes. Where are we ever gonna find any competent defensemen if we trade away the best one we've drafted since.... Shattenkirk?

 

[AslanRH]

What if you can protect only 3 D?

Then you risk one, make a "protection" trade, or an incentive for the team to select a Comeau or Grigorenko instead, etc. There will be options still.

If it does come down to teams only getting to protect 3 D, there will be quite a few to choose from around the league.

Each team is going to lose a player. Most good teams will lose a good player. The teams least likely not to lose a good player are also more likely not to be good teams.

 

[Ivan13]

Then you risk one, make a "protection" trade, or an incentive for the team to select a Comeau or Grigorenko instead, etc. There will be options still.

If it does come down to teams only getting to protect 3 D, there will be quite a few to choose from around the league.

Each team is going to lose a player. Most good teams will lose a good player. The teams least likely not to lose a good player are also more likely not to be good teams.

But why would you try to fit a square peg in a round hole if there's no need? We won't be a Cup contender next year, we can't afford to lose assets as well. Hamilton is not a difference maker.

 

[ABasin]

I think Martinsen has room to grow into a 10-15 goal 4th liner.

Brandon Yip, TJ Galiardi, Kevin Porter, Greg Mauldin, Mark Olver, Patrick Bordeleau, Borna Rendulic, Dennis Everberg...

I do admire this forum's consistency.

 

[AslanRH]

But why would you try to fit a square peg in a round hole if there's no need? We won't be a Cup contender next year, we can't afford to lose assets as well. Hamilton is not a difference maker.

I'm not advocating for the specific player per se (nor that trade since I don't really like it), but the idea of it being short sighted to improve the roster now if the opportunity arises just out of concern over the expansion draft.

 

[ABasin]

Watching the Penguins cup run, I couldn't help but think that Everberg and Tom Kuhnhackl are very, very similar players. Kuhnhackl seemed to play a little more physical, but every time I saw him out there taking a regular shift I couldn't help but think of Everberg.

Those players, even if it's a small role, are very valuable to a team. Cheap, trustworthy, and can provide some offence.

But Kuhnhacki has NHL-caliber skating and a NHL-caliber shot. Everberg may have had the skating, but not the shot (or even the skills anywhere around the net).

Martinsen has neither, hence he's an AHL player. He's the latest AHL player we Avs fans have some delusions of grandeur about, but he's still an AHL player.

 

[hockeyfish]

Nobody likes my idea.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Nobody likes my idea.

I kinda like it. We'd need to take back more salary though. If both Varly and Iggy are going to Calgary Wideman is coming back. The good news about that is that it's a cap dump so there would be less required from our side.

Varly, 40th overall and Iginla to Calgary for Hamilton and Wideman.

Now that's a deal I could get behind.