Confirmed Trade: [ANA/PIT] Marcus Pettersson for Daniel Sprong

[Riptide]

Couldn’t disagree more. Trading a guy who was widely considered an A or A- wing prospect for a run-of-the-mill 4-6 D man is not good asset management. Also, you can speculate that Sprongs value would not have gotten hire, but obviously we will never know. Perhaps pens suffer an rash of injuries and Sprong moves up lineup and produces?

What seems almost certain is that if the pens moved Sprong earlier they would have gotten quite a bit more than a guy like Petterson.

By fans. Scouts and management (especially Pittsburgh's) had different opinions, and even many on the Pens board as early as last TD recognized that Sprong wasn't a blue chip/elite prospect. There were always question marks about him.

If we'll "obviously never know", then how are you making proclamations about how this was a bad move for Pittsburgh, or that they would have gotten more than a "guy like Pettersson"?

Sprong was playing such a shit game that the odds of him getting moved up the lineup were pretty slim.

 

[Exit Dose]

Far far too soon to say that.

Pettersson is going to be good. Anyone writing him off at the moment is forgetting that he was drafted as a project, and so far he hasn't done anything that would suggest that he's heading for Bustville or falling short of the mark. He has been consistently adding weight to his frame since being drafted. At some point that's going to take away the disadvantage that he currently plays with. Polishing should take away the rookie inconsistencies, though that's the one thing that's not guaranteed to happen.

 

[smd333]

It's an interesting question for which one will be greater, goals he scores or goals against he'll be on the ice for.

I see you are towing the Sullivan line, even though Sprong had a good game last night. Good for you.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I see you are towing the Sullivan line, even though Sprong had a good game last night. Good for you.

I guessed you missed this post?

Well it was their first game against each other and I think both players had really strong games. Sprong got an assist after he created a rebound with his shot on the powerplay and Pettersson looked very engaged both offensively and defensively, leading the Penguins in shot attempts and doing great at limiting chances against.

 

[nbducksfan19]

By fans. Scouts and management (especially Pittsburgh's) had different opinions, and even many on the Pens board as early as last TD recognized that Sprong wasn't a blue chip/elite prospect. There were always question marks about him.

If we'll "obviously never know", then how are you making proclamations about how this was a bad move for Pittsburgh, or that they would have gotten more than a "guy like Pettersson"?

Sprong was playing such a **** game that the odds of him getting moved up the lineup were pretty slim.

Ultimately, to me it's about position scarcity and supply/demand. I think it is likely more probable that Pettersson is a serviceable NHL player than Sprong. However, I just don't think it is wise to trade a potential top 6 forward (even if the likelihood of getting there is less) for a player who's upside is second pairing D-man with limited very offensive upside. It is so much easier to find sub 20 point defencemen than it is to find scoring wingers.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Ultimately, to me it's about position scarcity and supply/demand. I think it is likely more probable that Pettersson is a serviceable NHL player than Sprong. However, I just don't think it is wise to trade a potential top 6 forward (even if the likelihood of getting there is less) for a player who's upside is second pairing D-man with limited very offensive upside. It is so much easier to find sub 20 point defencemen than it is to find scoring wingers.

Teams like our D-men & how we've done developing them that they feel Petterssen will become at least a minute eating top 4 for them without many offensive tools. The Penguins have former duck draftee Schultz & they play against another named Gardiner on Toronto.

 

[Riptide]

Ultimately, to me it's about position scarcity and supply/demand. I think it is likely more probable that Pettersson is a serviceable NHL player than Sprong. However, I just don't think it is wise to trade a potential top 6 forward (even if the likelihood of getting there is less) for a player who's upside is second pairing D-man with limited very offensive upside. It is so much easier to find sub 20 point defencemen than it is to find scoring wingers.

Depends on the minutes those D can play. 15-17 minutes, yeah that's pretty easy. However if you start looking at guys who can play 19/20+ minutes, it changes things. If Pettersson turns into a Dumoulin clone who can play 21+ minutes a game, be good in transition and very good defensively, then unless Sprong becomes a 35g/70pt+ winger, Pittsburgh wins this trade every day of the week. That doesn't mean it's a loss for Anaheim - just that Pittsburgh is a better team with another Dumoulin like player then they are with Sprong as a 20/25g winger.

There's also the fact that Anaheim and Pittsburgh are in difference places as organizations. Anaheim missing the POs or getting bounced in rd1 isn't the end of the world. Not good... but not coach/GM firing worthy. If that happened/happens here, those will both be looked at extremely hard. Pittsburgh has a very short window left of Crosby and Malkin's primes, and as such, alleviating some of the risk that comes with Sprong for someone like Pettersson isn't a bad move. Even this could possibly be tolerated to an extent if the rest of the team/roster was performing as expected. But when the team is fighting tooth and nail for a PO spot, gifting prime minutes to a player who showed little in the way of deserving those minutes isn't a good path to take.

And this is even before getting into how HF views prospects here and how flawed that typically is.

 

[3074326]

Ultimately, to me it's about position scarcity and supply/demand. I think it is likely more probable that Pettersson is a serviceable NHL player than Sprong. However, I just don't think it is wise to trade a potential top 6 forward (even if the likelihood of getting there is less) for a player who's upside is second pairing D-man with limited very offensive upside. It is so much easier to find sub 20 point defencemen than it is to find scoring wingers.

Have you seen the Penguins man? Stop acting like your opinion is right. Pens fans know a lot more about the Penguins than you do, and it's apparent. Daniel Sprong was sitting in the press box and Pettersson is on our second pair and successful so far. We're happy. You can try to force us to be upset all you want, but you just come off like you have no clue.

For the millionth time, we need Pettersson to be good more than we needed Sprong to be good. Our RW consists of Kessel, Hornqvist and Rust. Sprong isn't bumping any of those guys, and he's not a 4th liner. Our defense is trash and we need someone who can eat minutes and play solid defense. Pettersson does that RIGHT NOW. And he has plenty of room to grow.

 

[Riptide]

Have you seen the Penguins man? Stop acting like your opinion is right. Pens fans know a lot more about the Penguins than you do, and it's apparent. Daniel Sprong was sitting in the press box and Pettersson is on our second pair and successful so far. We're happy. You can try to force us to be upset all you want, but you just come off like you have no clue.

For the millionth time, we need Pettersson to be good more than we needed Sprong to be good. Our RW consists of Kessel, Hornqvist and Rust. Sprong isn't bumping any of those guys, and he's not a 4th liner. Our defense is trash and we need someone who can eat minutes and play solid defense. Pettersson does that RIGHT NOW. And he has plenty of room to grow.

People don't get that. They see the sexyness of a potential 20g+ winger, with more potential to be a 30g winger... and think that that trumps all. It doesn't.

If both players hit their potential (Dumoulin clone, 25g+ winger), Pittsburgh still needs Pettersson over Sprong. Pittsburgh is currently 9th in GF and 3rd in ES GF. The issue is they're also 9th in GA. There's very little room for Sprong to improve the former, but a lot of room for Pettersson to help improve the latter.

 

[3074326]

People don't get that. They see the sexyness of a 20g+ winger, with the potential to be a 30g winger... and think that that trumps all. It doesn't.

If both players hit their potential (Dumoulin clone, 25g+ winger), Pittsburgh still needs Pettersson over Sprong. Pittsburgh is currently 9th in GF and 3rd in ES GF. The issue is they're also 9th in GA. There's very little room for Sprong to improve the former, but a lot of room for Pettersson to help improve the latter.

I'll add on to that.

Our bottom 6 production has been better since the trade. The Penguins defense overall has been better (not great, but better) since the trade. The Penguins record has been better since the trade.

And we're supposed to think this was a bad trade?

 

[Duck Off]

Have you seen the Penguins man? Stop acting like your opinion is right. Pens fans know a lot more about the Penguins than you do, and it's apparent. Daniel Sprong was sitting in the press box and Pettersson is on our second pair and successful so far. We're happy. You can try to force us to be upset all you want, but you just come off like you have no clue.

For the millionth time, we need Pettersson to be good more than we needed Sprong to be good. Our RW consists of Kessel, Hornqvist and Rust. Sprong isn't bumping any of those guys, and he's not a 4th liner. Our defense is trash and we need someone who can eat minutes and play solid defense. Pettersson does that RIGHT NOW. And he has plenty of room to grow.

Are you getting upset that a fan of another team is trying to convince you that your team lost a trade? Are you new to HF? Sadly this is nothing new here.

I understand your frustration. We've seen it numerous time as well. Several told us was gave up an elite prospect in Tangradi back in the day. That's just one of the ridiculous amount of BS we've heard. Sadly the majority of HF isn't okay with both teams benefiting. Don't let it get to you.

 

[3074326]

Are you getting upset that a fan of another team is trying to convince you that your team lost a trade? Are you new to HF? Sadly this is nothing new here.

I understand your frustration. We've seen it numerous time as well. Several told us was gave up an elite prospect in Tangradi back in the day. That's just one of the ridiculous amount of BS we've heard. Sadly the majority of HF isn't okay with both teams benefiting. Don't let it get to you.

I'm not upset, I've just been around long enough to know that being nice on HF is a waste of time. Hence my tone.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Have you seen the Penguins man? Stop acting like your opinion is right. Pens fans know a lot more about the Penguins than you do, and it's apparent. Daniel Sprong was sitting in the press box and Pettersson is on our second pair and successful so far. We're happy. You can try to force us to be upset all you want, but you just come off like you have no clue.

For the millionth time, we need Pettersson to be good more than we needed Sprong to be good. Our RW consists of Kessel, Hornqvist and Rust. Sprong isn't bumping any of those guys, and he's not a 4th liner. Our defense is trash and we need someone who can eat minutes and play solid defense. Pettersson does that RIGHT NOW. And he has plenty of room to grow.

Reading comprehension not your strong suite? I said several times that Pettersson is certainly more valuable to the Penguins in the short term and potentially the long term. The penguins are a better team with Pettersson than Sprong. Also, Sprong may very well bust. However, it is my opinion that it is not good asset management to trade a guy when his value is at an all-time low, giving up a potential scoring winger for a 4-6 limited offense D-Man. If I were a pens fan id rather see them send out a 2-4th round pick for a serviceable 4-6 Dman than a prospect with a lot of potential. Odds are, it is a non-issue and Sprong doesn't develop into a player worth missing much, but he could.

 

[BlackEye from Xhekaj]

Reading comprehension not your strong suite? I said several times that Pettersson is certainly more valuable to the Penguins in the short term and potentially the long term. The penguins are a better team with Pettersson than Sprong. Also, Sprong may very well bust. However, it is my opinion that it is not good asset management to trade a guy when his value is at an all-time low, giving up a potential scoring winger for a 4-6 limited offense D-Man. If I were a pens fan id rather see them send out a 2-4th round pick for a serviceable 4-6 Dman than a prospect with a lot of potential. Odds are, it is a non-issue and Sprong doesn't develop into a player worth missing much, but he could.

This is the part that everyone should be able to agree upon. While Sprong wasn't going to get a chance in Pittsburgh barring multiple injuries, they, without question, mismanaged Sprong as an asset.

His value even pre-season was much higher and could have possibly yielded a better return. In saying that, Pettersson is showing that he is a capable dman with some offensive abilities in his game.

He's not a terrible return in the slightest for Sprong, just possibly lesser than what they could have gotten back had they moved him 2 months ago.

 

[Riptide]

Reading comprehension not your strong suite? I said several times that Pettersson is certainly more valuable to the Penguins in the short term and potentially the long term. The penguins are a better team with Pettersson than Sprong. Also, Sprong may very well bust. However, it is my opinion that it is not good asset management to trade a guy when his value is at an all-time low, giving up a potential scoring winger for a 4-6 limited offense D-Man. If I were a pens fan id rather see them send out a 2-4th round pick for a serviceable 4-6 Dman than a prospect with a lot of potential. Odds are, it is a non-issue and Sprong doesn't develop into a player worth missing much, but he could.

If Pettersson had been avialable for a 2-4th rd pick, I'm pretty sure Rutherford would have just done that instead of moving him for Sprong. But contrary to HF believe, not every player is available for a pick. Pure value only goes so far, but 'needs' come into play a lot more in the NHL then HF fans think. There's really no reason for Anaheim to move Pettersson for a 2nd/4th rd pick. He's playing for them in the NHL... why would they trade him for a pick at this point in time?

Also you seem to be really hung up on a "potential" scoring winger for a "4-6 limited offense blueliner". Brian Dumoulin is a limited offense blueliner who's never put up 20+ points in the NHL, and who if he does exceed that, it probably won't be by much. And in no way shape or form is he a 4-6D - and he's a very good comparable for what Pettersson might be able to do.

And what does your "opinion" say about selling an asset before his value goes even lower? At some point it's time to cut bait and bail. Not everyone's value will increase. I know Sprong has been playing well for you guys, but I'm extremely certain that few (if any) of you have watched many Pittsburgh games where he was playing like utter trash (and this isn't sour grapes since he was traded, many have said the same thing going back to last month and beyond).

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I was never a big believer in Sprong. He seemed overhyped. Getting Pettersson back for him seems like a good trade if Pettersson is a good young D who has a future.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Reading comprehension not your strong suite? I said several times that Pettersson is certainly more valuable to the Penguins in the short term and potentially the long term. The penguins are a better team with Pettersson than Sprong. Also, Sprong may very well bust. However, it is my opinion that it is not good asset management to trade a guy when his value is at an all-time low, giving up a potential scoring winger for a 4-6 limited offense D-Man. If I were a pens fan id rather see them send out a 2-4th round pick for a serviceable 4-6 Dman than a prospect with a lot of potential. Odds are, it is a non-issue and Sprong doesn't develop into a player worth missing much, but he could.

If he will bust, his value right now is at an all-time high my friend.

 

[Trojans86]

This is clearly a win win scenario. Ducks had plenty of young d and no real room for Petterson. Pit was the reverse and no room for Sprong. Makes sense for both sides if you ask me.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Ultimately, to me it's about position scarcity and supply/demand. I think it is likely more probable that Pettersson is a serviceable NHL player than Sprong. However, I just don't think it is wise to trade a potential top 6 forward (even if the likelihood of getting there is less) for a player who's upside is second pairing D-man with limited very offensive upside. It is so much easier to find sub 20 point defencemen than it is to find scoring wingers.

Exactamundo.

 

[Riptide]

If he will bust, his value right now is at an all-time high my friend.

Even more so if he's sitting a good chunk of his games, and/or he's playing, but playing like utter trash.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Sprong played his best game defensively last night, some solid back check etc & also scored a PP goal.
Perhaps his confidence is at a high & is playing better defensively or the coaches have been making a turnaround with him ? Either way i'd like to see him play on his offwing like Ovi does which is better for snipers with great shots, the offwing is also better for one timers.

At the very least Sprong is a PP specialist with his shot.

 

[PensandCaps]

Sprong outside the PP is pretty much Craig Adams.


Pettersson has been amazing. How the hell was he available? Who just gives away young top 4 D?

Great scouting by the Pens to find this gem.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Sometimes players play better after a trade, even for the rest of the season and then fall off.

This type of trade both players need to be playing well 2 years from now.

 

[The Old Master]

Sprong outside the PP is pretty much Craig Adams.


Pettersson has been amazing. How the hell was he available? Who just gives away young top 4 D?

Great scouting by the Pens to find this gem.

unbelievable......if he played like adams sully would of loved him. you are now embarrassing yourself.

 

[PensandCaps]

unbelievable......if he played like adams sully would of loved him. you are now embarrassing yourself.

He produces like Adams.

That was my point.