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idk but with anaheim in the game against tampa he might have been the best ducks forward
Confirmed Trade: [ANA/PIT] Marcus Pettersson for Daniel Sprong
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Most of those "2-3" posters have been saying the exact same things about Sprong long before he was traded. This not about Pittsburgh "winning" the trade.
Bottom line is this. Pittsburgh fans are happy because they're a better team after the trade then they were before the trade. From what I understand, the same can be said about Anaheim (although I question that based on the stats), but if their fans are happy great.
Oh there were plenty of us bashing Sprong even when he was here, as there was tons of very legitimate reasons to be doing so. And based on his stats from Anaheim, still some fairly good reasons to be critical of him.
Empoleon8771
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No, it has no relevance. You're just being a troll. Don't bring up irrelevant players to the discussion if you want to have an actual discussion.
How many games did you watch of him in Pittsburgh? Oh yeah, I'll definitely take your opinion when you've literally never watched him. All Penguins fans who are giving glowing reviews of him are all just wrong, because you can look at fancy stats. Bravo.
Your own eyes? You mean the spreadsheets you've looked at? Again, go take this trolling BS elsewhere. If you think my analysis is bad, don't respond to me. Really easy solution.
Empoleon8771
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Uh....what?
I don't care at all who HF considers a "winner" in this trade, because I'm super happy with what the Penguins got. Comments from people like me and Riptide are the same comments we made about him when he was in Pittsburgh, if you don't believe that, you can go on the "All Purpose Sprong Thread" that HFPens had. Pointing out bad statistics for a player isn't trying to say your team won a trade. I genuinely wouldn't care if Sprong would win a Rocket for the Ducks, all that matters is what the Penguins get out of Pettersson, which has been excellent.
And that's the other weird thing...having an irrational hatred of a player who is 21 years old and has outperformed most of his draft class...especially based on where he was taken. just seems odd to someone who takes a more patient approach to player development. Seems like you should be directing your anger towards Pittsburgh management for how he was handled instead of the player himself.
Empoleon8771
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Pointing out flaws of a player isn't "irrational hatred". I'm not having any anger here. Crap like this tries to water down actual discussion by saying "you're just biased!!!!". If you don't want to actually engage in a discussion about a players flaws, just don't engage in it. Trying to paint anyone who criticizes Sprong as a hater is an insult to anyone who actually takes the time to make an argument.
I have a Penguins Sprong jersey. I was a huge fan of him up until this year. I don't hold any ill will towards anyone except for JR, because he kept him up in 2015 and ****ed with his waiver eligibility. Me saying Sprong is only a PP specialist right now is solely based on his play this year, which has been downright horrid at ES. I don't blame the Ducks or Ducks fans for being patient with him, I totally get it. But don't try and insult anyone who dares criticize Sprong by calling them a hater, especially when there is an extremely strong case for it.
Didn't insult you but you could end up looking really foolish in a couple of years...
Empoleon8771
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Saying someone who takes the time to actually formulate an argument is just a hater is absolutely an insult.
Anyway, what have I said in here that may look foolish in the future? I'm pretty sure no one in here has said Sprong is a bust or anything like that, you only have a couple people on the Penguins board saying that. I honestly don't know what you're talking about, pointing out Sprong's awful stats this year and saying he's a PP specialist right now is talking about right now. What have I or anyone else in here posted that may look foolish in the future?
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Pettersson plays with awful players like Maatta, Oleksiak and Johnson, so of course he will look decent with these other schmucks on the team.
The Sprong situation was handled very poorly by management, particularly Sullivan. It is what it is. Hopefully Pettersson works out and I hope Sprong makes something of himself. At least he doesn’t have to play with two guys who brought down his game here.
The Sprong situation was handled very poorly by management, particularly Sullivan. It is what it is. Hopefully Pettersson works out and I hope Sprong makes something of himself. At least he doesn’t have to play with two guys who brought down his game here.
After reading all your posts there are only two possible answers (1) you ARE a hater and/or (2) you cannot be on the losing side of ANYTHING. There are no other possible answers. Fortunately, I don't spend much time on this thread because of what it has devolved into thanks to posters like you.
Empoleon8771
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So you're not going to give me a reply for what will make me look foolish? And there you go with the "hater" talk again, I guess me asking you to provide literally any substance in your posts is just me being a "hater". You've provided literally nothing of value in here while criticizing people who are providing things of value. If you want to go after people for criticizing Sprong, you better have something to back it up.
I don't even know what you're trying to prove here. You started by attacking Penguins fans who had the audacity to bring up Sprong's bad stats this season, as if it's just as a way to say the Penguins won the trade. You then tried to say it was "irrational hatred" and I could end up looking really foolish in a couple of years. I then asked you to provide literally anything that could look foolish in the future, and you couldn't even do that. If you're going to attack other people for making a statistic based argument, have something to back it up instead of just attacking them.
This has nothing to do with winning or losing a debate, and it has even less to do with being a "hater". It's me asking a simple question, what in here have I said that I could look foolish in the future for? If you can't even point to anything, and just get super defensive, why even make any of those posts?
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Sprong has a 2 5v5 points in 13 games (13 point pace) with the Ducks. And thats getting second caliber linemates, minutes and 75% o-zone starts.
Not to mention 46% corsi, 45 fenwick and 37% high danger.
Im glad hes adding some value on the PP but anyone who thinks hes more than a specialist right now today, is a loon.
Even if you assume this was all 5v5 scoring a 37 point pace for a second liner that is a defensive liability is also not good. Not 13 point pace defensive liability level horrid but still... Blah.
Not to mention 46% corsi, 45 fenwick and 37% high danger.
Im glad hes adding some value on the PP but anyone who thinks hes more than a specialist right now today, is a loon.
Even if you assume this was all 5v5 scoring a 37 point pace for a second liner that is a defensive liability is also not good. Not 13 point pace defensive liability level horrid but still... Blah.
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Sprong is not a Penguin for many reasons not all of his own doing. it's really a catch 22, his personality should fit with the Ducks because that was part of the issue and I think Getzlaf and company will be more suited to the, full of themselves types, but at least they are very funny guys so they pull it off.
In the end, Sprong is a very talented winger and should get his best chances at being a pro there. I think it was an even up trade, just two teams at different levels of competition right now.
Sprong will have a future there.
In the end, Sprong is a very talented winger and should get his best chances at being a pro there. I think it was an even up trade, just two teams at different levels of competition right now.
Sprong will have a future there.
Guess it must really bug the hell out of you that his "deployment" hasn't actually affected his numbers.
So what's Sprong's excuse now that he's getting 80% zone starts with Anaheim's 2c? His underlying numbers are the exact same as what they were in Pittsburgh - complete trash. And this isn't an exaggeration, his advanced stat line is practically identical. Anaheim is getting out shot, out scored and out chanced when he's on the ice, and just like in Pittsburgh, Anahiem's players are doing better away from Sprong then they're doing with him.
But sure... it was all "usage".
Seems you don’t pay attention to the ducks, as all these things have nothing to do with Sprong. We get out shot, outscored, and outchanced with or without him.
Except hes actually worse that the team average and had the exact same problem in pittsburgh
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Building up petterson like he’s vlasic while obsessively looking for reasons to devalue Speing by some Pens fans screams of some strange insecurity.
This trade is pretty simple and makes tons of sense. Pens got a solid 4-6 dman with limited projectable upside (3/4 type). Ducks got a very skilled winger who currently is a tweener and solid power play guy, but looks to absolutely have top 6 upside.
Pens are more of a contender and got the more complete player who can help them now. Ducks got the guy with higher ceiling.
Ducks have no shortage of Dmen and consistently draft/develope good ones. Same could be said of pens with offensive players.
With prospect types trades, I tend to like to go high upside as I think solid depth type players are easier to get in free agency, but this is very much a win-win. Pettersson will be an nhl player and Sprong May bust, but if I’m the ducks I take the chance with a guy like him 10 times out of 10.
This trade is pretty simple and makes tons of sense. Pens got a solid 4-6 dman with limited projectable upside (3/4 type). Ducks got a very skilled winger who currently is a tweener and solid power play guy, but looks to absolutely have top 6 upside.
Pens are more of a contender and got the more complete player who can help them now. Ducks got the guy with higher ceiling.
Ducks have no shortage of Dmen and consistently draft/develope good ones. Same could be said of pens with offensive players.
With prospect types trades, I tend to like to go high upside as I think solid depth type players are easier to get in free agency, but this is very much a win-win. Pettersson will be an nhl player and Sprong May bust, but if I’m the ducks I take the chance with a guy like him 10 times out of 10.
Could have a lot to do with the fact the team has sucked the last 8 games.
Empoleon8771
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I don't think he is a NHL player right now, the thing that sucks with him is Rutherford screwed up his waiver eligibility. He should still be with the Penguins in the AHL right now, but because Rutherford couldn't take the hint that neither Johnston or Sullivan didn't want to play him 2015, he had to be traded. I would still definitely do the trade again, but Sprong shouldn't have been in the position of "must trade" this year.
Meh, it's whatever. Whether Sprong ends up a NHLer long term depends on whether he can start producing at ES and whether he can round out some of the problems in his game. That will determine whether Sprong is the next Palmieri or the next Pirri/Gagner.
No one has done that in here. Again, go read the "All Purpose Sprong Thread" thread on the Penguins board, people have been saying this stuff for months. The same people criticizing his ES production and play right now said the same things when he was in Pittsburgh. He has been very similar with Anaheim as he was with the Penguins, but with extra PP production.
I don't think anyone has built up Pettersson to be like Vlasic, either. The highest I've seen a group of people call him is the new Dumoulin, which isn't even an unfair comparison. I think his best case scenario is a #2 2-way defenseman, which is higher than a lot of other people think.
I definitely agree this is a win-win trade for reasons you said. Even if Sprong busts, it's a worthwhile gamble for the Ducks because Pettersson was expendable. And it's kinda the same way for the Penguins, although I think the chances of Pettersson busting at this point are virtually non-existent.
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He certainly has not sucked in his games as a duck. In fact he has been one of our better forwards in many games and has very rarely been in bad position defensively (which I was expecting to happen more often). He looks young and will need to get stronger, but I have no doubt he can be a top 6 winger if he puts in the work. Whether that actually happens is anyone’s guess.
Dude, if hes been one of your beat forwards your in a heap of trouble. Hes hasnt been in the right position since fetal.
An offensive ONLY winger on pace for 13 5v5 points. Yikes.
Im glad hes been able to give some value on the PP but hes otherwise hes been exactly what he was here. A one dimensional scoring winger, that isnt scoring.
Thanks for telling me what he’s been despite me being the one who watches every game. Shall I educate you on how Pettersson is playing for the pens, I’m an expert because I have watched 3 of his games while I was making dinner.
One thing you are right about is the ducks are in trouble if Sprong is one of our better forwards in many games. A 21 year old work in process shouldnt be, but that’s unfortunately where we’ve been the least few weeks. Lastly, you may need to talk to a professional about why you need for Sprong to be bad?
dracom
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I don't think I've seen a thread where one fanbase tries SO HARD to convince the other side that the player they got is actually hot garbage. He's been good for us, but because he was not amazing for the Pens then I guess it doesn't matter how he plays for us, he'll always just be garbage I guess.
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