Prospect Info: NHL 2017 Entry Draft - Part III

[Whileee]

wouldn't even be mad with getting andersson. seems like the type of player the jets have yet to draft.

Yup, smart two way C. Really solid.

 

[John Agar]

Mostly because Foote and Makar have had a lot of promotion.

Actually, I like Foote a lot. He's really smart, has decent tools, just really solid. Hard not to see him as an NHLer, and a good shot at a top 4.

For some reason I like Brannstrom as much as Makar. Just something about his poise and creativity that I really like. Kid won't turn 18 until the fall - almost a full year younger than Makar. I'm trying to imagine what Brannstrom would do to the AJHL next season, when he'd be about the same age as Makar was this past season.

Thx for replying Whileee...

Yes Makar local celeb (Western Canada... scares me a bit)...

You basically see Foote the way I see him... no risk...

Brannstrom plays on the bigger ice surface... I would suggest some unknown here...

The Dub' is a brutal league physically and psychologically (intimidation) given the ice surface and the plethora of high pressure fore-check deep into the opposing zone...

Branny' hasn't played in this environment in a Dub' season... so I wonder...

 

[Grind]

I just wonder why he was in 20-30 range for most of the year? Looking at his numbers more and play he is really strong on the puck and obviously knows how to score. Is it still a height factor even in a draft where AJHL 5'10 Cale Makar is in the top 10?

I'm really skeptical of guys who move up near the end of the year - to a fault - (took me until Laine and Puljujarvi's NHL seasons started to fully believe Laine was clearly BPA)

ftr am not rooting against this guy and won't be disappointed if we pick him - its not a huge reach at 13 - Just want to know why we'd take him over one of the high ranked defenders and others I've consistently seen in top 10 (Liljigren, Petersson, Valimaki, etc)

If your talking about Suzuki an interesting data point would be that by our system he was consistently near or in the top ten throughout the year.

I get what your saying and in some situations agree, but when the stats had him in that bracket all year and the scouts finally got wise at the end of the season I'm not going to be too skeptical

 

[Whileee]

Thx for replying Whileee...

Yes Makar local celeb (Western Canada... scares me a bit)...

You basically see Foote the way I see him... no risk...

Brannstrom plays on the bigger ice surface... I would suggest some unknown here...

The Dub' is a brutal league physically and psychologically (intimidation) given the ice surface and the plethora of high pressure fore-check deep into the opposing zone...

Branny' hasn't played in this environment in a Dub' season... so I wonder...

True enough, re: Brannstrom. Maybe I have dreams of another legendary #4 Swede on the Jets D.

 

[Grind]

Brannstrom may play on a bigger ice surface but he plays against men, fully grown and developed men, against teams who's only agenda is to win, not develop players.

Though the style of play may be different, the competition is much tougher in the SHL

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

about a week ago, it seemed to be consensus that a dmen would have been taken. seems more forward names are getting tossed around now.

i would say 80% chance dmen is taken unless unbelievable choice is available. dmen are at a premium these days.

i am thinking foote is the jets players chosen.

 

[John Agar]

Brannstrom may play on a bigger ice surface but he plays against men, fully grown and developed men, against teams who's only agenda is to win, not develop players.

Though the style of play may be different, the competition is much tougher in the SHL

Yes Grind... true... the competition is tougher in the SHL... pure skill wise... not meat-head wise...

The Dub' has been consistent with it's aggressiveness over the years... and the D'men who come out of it with skill and numbers, with size tend to continue to progress in the Pro's...

Right, or wrong, the Dub' is a microcosm of the worst of the NHL combined with oppressive travel and commitment... on buses for many hours...

 

[Whileee]

Brannstrom may play on a bigger ice surface but he plays against men, fully grown and developed men, against teams who's only agenda is to win, not develop players.

Though the style of play may be different, the competition is much tougher in the SHL

He's a bit of a pet prospect for me. Just love how he plays and processes the game. Think he'd be dynamite with our skilled forwards.

 

[Whileee]

about a week ago, it seemed to be consensus that a dmen would have been taken. seems more forward names are getting tossed around now.

i would say 80% chance dmen is taken unless unbelievable choice is available. dmen are at a premium these days.

i am thinking foote is the jets players chosen.

I don't mind Foote at all. In fact, I'd be fine with any of Liljegren, Makar, Valimaki, Brannstrom or Foote. Less enthusiastic about Hague or Timmins at #13. If the Jets want a good D, should be one available.

 

[ps241]

He's a bit of a pet prospect for me. Just love how he plays and processes the game. Think he'd be dynamite with our skilled forwards.

Mostly I would love that as Toby winds it down we could replace him with another little Swede and troll the hell out of the mouth breathers!!!!

Kidding aside I really like his game too.

 

[Bob E]

I like Brannstrom much more than Liljgren.

Fine with Foote too. I think he goes before #13 though.

I think Makar might slide. Smallish dman put up points in a lesser league. Lots of questions, imo.

 

[Grind]

I'm just hoping we walk away with a guy like vaakainen with our second. I'm hoping for a Suzuki or Pettersson with our first but not holding my breath. The difference between vaakainen or even Brooks I don't think is as big as the drop off from one of those centers to what would be available with our second and thirds

 

[Bob E]

I can see how a guy like Rasmussen would interest Jets management.

Big center that can score. Being a 'pp point specialist' likely appeals to them too, since our pp units can use a boost. A better goal scoring Lowry. Yep I can see the appeal.

The Jets have a few smaller scoring forwards. I am expecting a bigger prospect being selected in 1st. Right or wrong, I would not be surprised to see Foote, Hague, or Rasmussen the player selected.

 

[Patrik Barkov]

Will be the most interesting draft in years even though it's maybe not thd greatest draft. I still think that people are getting blinded by not having a McDavid/Eichel/Matthews/Laine there but it's a pretty decent draft depth wise. 13th seems to be a really interesting place to draft since there is really not much difference between the picks 5-15.

 

[buggs]

I can see how a guy like Rasmussen would interest Jets management.

Big center that can score. Being a 'pp point specialist' likely appeals to them too, since our pp units can use a boost. A better goal scoring Lowry. Yep I can see the appeal.

The Jets have a few smaller scoring forwards. I am expecting a bigger prospect being selected in 1st. Right or wrong, I would not be surprised to see Foote, Hague, or Rasmussen the player selected.

I think the Jets powerplay woes would be better addressed by different systems/approach/coaching. We aren't lacking in offensive personnel. Never a bad idea to add more talent via the draft of course but if the solution to our powerplay remains a couple of years away because we're drafting to solve the problems then I really don't know what to say about management/coaching.

 

[Grind]

Will be the most interesting draft in years even though it's maybe not thd greatest draft. I still think that people are getting blinded by not having a McDavid/Eichel/Matthews/Laine there but it's a pretty decent draft depth wise. 13th seems to be a really interesting place to draft since there is really not much difference between the picks 5-15.

Rheged took a look at this draft vs the last couple and the lack of depth is definitely not overstated.

Essentially this draft is only lacking two additional high end guys at the Mathews,mariner,etc level. If you look past those two it pretty much lines up the same as mcdavids
draft.

Makes me wonder how much that bump of one or two players at the top has a tendency to ski observers beliefs regarding depth as a whole. Sure it pushes everyone down two spots but that's hardly a significant impact save for if your drafting top five.

It definitely lowers the value of those high end picks but probably means picks 12-200 pan out the same way the would have anyway

 

[Channelcat]

about a week ago, it seemed to be consensus that a dmen would have been taken. seems more forward names are getting tossed around now.

i would say 80% chance dmen is taken unless unbelievable choice is available. dmen are at a premium these days.

i am thinking foote is the jets players chosen.

Wouldn't surprise me. Jets put significant value on family history.

 

[mondo3]

We have so few good defensive prospects right now, I'd be a bit surprised if we went with a forward.

 

[Channelcat]

I'm just hoping we walk away with a guy like vaakainen with our second. I'm hoping for a Suzuki or Pettersson with our first but not holding my breath. The difference between vaakainen or even Brooks I don't think is as big as the drop off from one of those centers to what would be available with our second and thirds

This. I think he may a big target for us in the second. I'd be ecstatic to see us take 2 D with our top 2 actually.

 

[Grind]

This. I think he may a big target for us in the second. I'd be ecstatic to see us take 2 D with our top 2 actually.

I'd be ok with that.

I'm just not seeing a lot of crazy value forwards outside of the first where there's definitely some intriguing d options.

Would be nice to get a strong center/forward as well as once roslovix graduates and petans either in or out our top forward prospects are pretty much Harkins and Spacek (neither are bad but definitely a tier below what were used to carrying in the pipeline)

 

[ecolad]

I'd be ok with that.

I'm just not seeing a lot of crazy value forwards outside of the first where there's definitely some intriguing d options.

Would be nice to get a strong center/forward as well as once roslovix graduates and petans either in or out our top forward prospects are pretty much Harkins and Spacek (neither are bad but definitely a tier below what were used to carrying in the pipeline)

I pretty much agree with the sentiment about coveting another fast, skilled playmaking center on the team - with the objective of ultimately creating a balanced top 9 attack (ie make a good 3rd line ala Pens with Bonino and Kessel). Unfortunately, Maurice has shown absolutely no interest in structuring the team in such fashion to date, fixated instead as he is on a low scoring checking 3rd line. To the extent that Maurice has any voice in the draft needs, skilled playmaking centers available in 13th position are not going to be a priority.

 

[kxx]

If your talking about Suzuki an interesting data point would be that by our system he was consistently near or in the top ten throughout the year.

I get what your saying and in some situations agree, but when the stats had him in that bracket all year and the scouts finally got wise at the end of the season I'm not going to be too skeptical

Yeah thats fair enough. I dont' think its always bad when that happens - just hope in the case of Suzuki, its a case of everyone finally noticing something that others noticed before.

 

[Daximus]

If none of the good value forwards are available at 13 it might just be a better option to trade down to the early 20's and get an extra 2nd and just grab 2 dmen and one of the high end goalie prospects. With a 20ish pick, our 43rd and a 50th pick we should be able to snag any a Brannstrom, Timmins, Joseph or a falling Foote. Then snag a guy like Brook, Vaaka or Minulin and round that out with someone like Petruzelli, Otter, Eriksson Ek, Skinner or DiPietro.

 

[buyinnow]

I pretty much agree with the sentiment about coveting another fast, skilled playmaking center on the team - with the objective of ultimately creating a balanced top 9 attack (ie make a good 3rd line ala Pens with Bonino and Kessel). Unfortunately, Maurice has shown absolutely no interest in structuring the team in such fashion to date, fixated instead as he is on a low scoring checking 3rd line. To the extent that Maurice has any voice in the draft needs, skilled playmaking centers available in 13th position are not going to be a priority.

yes he has.

Perrault was line3 C. Other than Perrault there was no one else in the org. to fill that role.

fast skillted playmaking sounds like Roslovic .

 

[Daximus]

I pretty much agree with the sentiment about coveting another fast, skilled playmaking center on the team - with the objective of ultimately creating a balanced top 9 attack (ie make a good 3rd line ala Pens with Bonino and Kessel). Unfortunately, Maurice has shown absolutely no interest in structuring the team in such fashion to date, fixated instead as he is on a low scoring checking 3rd line. To the extent that Maurice has any voice in the draft needs, skilled playmaking centers available in 13th position are not going to be a priority.

I think Maurice and Chevy have been trying to structure this team a lot more like the Hawks. A two-way top line, an all out offence line and a bottom 6 comprised of solid two way centers with wingers that can score mixed in with a few pure grinder types. We are really structured to beat the Hawks. And we do, we mop the floor with them quite a bit. Problem is we have issues beating everyone else.