Prospect Info: NHL 2017 Entry Draft - Part III

[KingBogo]

I think Maurice and Chevy have been trying to structure this team a lot more like the Hawks. A two-way top line, an all out offence line and a bottom 6 comprised of solid two way centers with wingers that can score mixed in with a few pure grinder types. We are really structured to beat the Hawks. And we do, we mop the floor with them quite a bit. Problem is we have issues beating everyone else.

This is a good observation, but I think this starts changing when our young core players start becoming the equivalent of the Hawks core pieces.

 

[surixon]

I think Maurice and Chevy have been trying to structure this team a lot more like the Hawks. A two-way top line, an all out offence line and a bottom 6 comprised of solid two way centers with wingers that can score mixed in with a few pure grinder types. We are really structured to beat the Hawks. And we do, we mop the floor with them quite a bit. Problem is we have issues beating everyone else.

They most certainly are being built like the Hawks to a large extent. Our young core going into next season will be at the age that the Hawks core was when they took the step. Having said that we play a style that is nothing like what they play and our 4th line is a net liability the way Maurice constructs and utilizes it unlike the Hawks who where able to use their's as a defensive zone specialist line which freed up the top 6 to play more in the offensive zone.

If Maurice wants to emulate the Hawks he needs to start coaching and making lineup decisions at a much better rate.

 

[ffh]

They most certainly are being built like the Hawks to a large extent. Our young core going into next season will be at the age that the Hawks core was when they took the step. Having said that we play a style that is nothing like what they play and our 4th line is a net liability the way Maurice constructs and utilizes it unlike the Hawks who where able to use their's as a defensive zone specialist line which freed up the top 6 to play more in the offensive zone.

If Maurice wants to emulate the Hawks he needs to start coaching and making lineup decisions at a much better rate.

if thorburn tanev petan dano burmistrov are your options then the problem doesn't lie with Maurice.

 

[surixon]

if thorburn tanev petan dano burmistrov are your options then the problem doesn't lie with Maurice.

He had plenty of options he chose to misuse them but I'm not going to get into an argument about Petan and Dano with you so we will agree to disagree.

 

[garret9]

He had plenty of options he chose to misuse them but I'm not going to get into an argument about Petan and Dano with you so we will agree to disagree.

Petan-Dano have done well together.

...and Jets had a good option in a Copp/Matthias-Lowry-Armia line.

 

[surixon]

Petan-Dano have done well together.

Agreed, they just didn't get much icetime.

 

[Daximus]

They most certainly are being built like the Hawks to a large extent. Our young core going into next season will be at the age that the Hawks core was when they took the step. Having said that we play a style that is nothing like what they play and our 4th line is a net liability the way Maurice constructs and utilizes it unlike the Hawks who where able to use their's as a defensive zone specialist line which freed up the top 6 to play more in the offensive zone.

If Maurice wants to emulate the Hawks he needs to start coaching and making lineup decisions at a much better rate.

It's not like the Hawks weren't dressing plugs either Eager, Carcillo, Bickell, Fraser, Bollig. Some of them managed to get key goals but they are still plugs none the less. The biggest different is the Hawks have a guy called Corey Crawford in net who has helped them remain a force all these years. Throw Pavelec in their net for those runs and I bet they don't even make the playoffs. Give us Crawford and I bet we could have made some decent runs.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

The more I watch Valimaki the more I fall in love with his skills as a prospect, he's very calm and smart with the puck, he is a great passer, his offensive IQ looks very good, he is very reliable as a defender and is also very smart in that area as well, he's not overwhelming and super dynamic player but this guy looks like a stud and could start on the 2nd or 3rd pairing day one for this team(IMO). Hope we pick him.

 

[surixon]

It's not like the Hawks weren't dressing plugs either Eager, Carcillo, Bickell, Fraser, Bollig. Some of them managed to get key goals but they are still plugs none the less. The biggest different is the Hawks have a guy called Corey Crawford in net who has helped them remain a force all these years. Throw Pavelec in their net for those runs and I bet they don't even make the playoffs. Give us Crawford and I bet we could have made some decent runs.

Sure I definitely agree that the Hawks depth is pretty suspect now and are getting propped up by goaltending.

I'm looking at the Chicago comparison back to when they first started winning cups and at that time they where a very deep team that was able to win with Neimi in net. They are a mere shadow of their former self imo.

 

[Daximus]

Sure I definitely agree that the Hawks depth is pretty suspect now and are getting propped up by goaltending.

I'm looking at the Chicago comparison back to when they first started winning cups and at that time they where a very deep team that was able to win with Neimi in net. They are a mere shadow of their former self imo.

Those guys were part of those cup winning teams so maybe we are trying to emulate the Hawks to much. I think we should go with a more heavy offensive attack in the top 2 and have two solid defensive lines with scoring. It's just tough to find scorers that are also good defenders. Hoping Connor can develop that side of his game. Be awesome if he could PK with his speed.

 

[antiqueslivers]

what ever happened to that telegin dude. Russian player can't remember the name exactly just remember he was great during the international tournaments and we had his rights. Any word on that guy or did our ownership over his rights expire?

 

[surixon]

Those guys were part of those cup winning teams so maybe we are trying to emulate the Hawks to much. I think we should go with a more heavy offensive attack in the top 2 and have two solid defensive lines with scoring. It's just tough to find scorers that are also good defenders. Hoping Connor can develop that side of his game. Be awesome if he could PK with his speed.

Don't mind that set up. Truth be told I think Connor is dynamic enough that he should compliment Armia and Lowry and make it a more dangerous all around line as we witnessed in the last game of the year.

Top 6 is good as is imo.

That leaves the 4th line. Copp is a quality two way centre for it. Mathias is an above league average scorer for that position. They need to bring in the right RW to compliment those two. I'd try for a vet like Hansen myself.

 

[StumpyTown]

what ever happened to that telegin dude. Russian player can't remember the name exactly just remember he was great during the international tournaments and we had his rights. Any word on that guy or did our ownership over his rights expire?

He's a guy that seems to play well for his country, but not his clubs. If you check out his stats on hockeyDB you'll see that in 125 games for CSKA he has only accumulated 12 goals and 13 assists. He has loads of natural skill, but his numbers indicate that instead of playing up to potential, he is a bit like Davydov was and just can't get his crap together consistently. The Jets are better off without this guy.

 

[csk]

what ever happened to that telegin dude. Russian player can't remember the name exactly just remember he was great during the international tournaments and we had his rights. Any word on that guy or did our ownership over his rights expire?

His rights expire before his KHL contract does

 

[Daximus]

Don't mind that set up. Truth be told I think Connor is dynamic enough that he should compliment Armia and Lowry and make it a more dangerous all around line as we witnessed in the last game of the year.

Top 6 is good as is imo.

That leaves the 4th line. Copp is a quality two way centre for it. Mathias is an above league average scorer for that position. They need to bring in the right RW to compliment those two. I'd try for a vet like Hansen myself.

Could be a good place for Roslovic to start and then eventually take over Little as a top 6 C if all goes well.

 

[Channelcat]

Anyone seem Dylan Coghlan? looks like a good puck moving D that really had a breakout season in Tri Cities.

 

[Jetsetter]

Nicolas Hague vs Logan Stanley - which player is more NHL Ready?

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Nicolas Hague vs Logan Stanley - which player is more NHL Ready?

Hague has a really good shot and release for a big man. His skating is weaker and his defensive side is weaker.

I really think it depends on who gets stronger in a years time. I tend to think that guys that skate well have the edge on making it to the league sooner

 

[KingBogo]

Hague has a really good shot and release for a big man. His skating is weaker and his defensive side is weaker.

I really think it depends on who gets stronger in a years time. I tend to think that guys that skate well have the edge on making it to the league sooner

Interesting. never mind NHL ready. Neither one is. But overall how would you rate Hague as a prospect vs. Stanley.

 

[Daximus]

Nicolas Hague vs Logan Stanley - which player is more NHL Ready?

I think Hague has less to work on then Stanley to be a more effective defencemen it's more of a boom or bust kind of thing though. He'll either make it as a top 4 offensive defencemen or he won't make it at all. Stanley has a better chance at being a depth guy though I think if that makes sense. Not a lot of depth guys are more offensively oriented because typically you want depth guys to be somewhat defensively inclined.

Essentially Stanley has a better shot at being a depth guy but Hague has a better shot at being anything more.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Interesting. never mind NHL ready. Neither one is. But overall how would you rate Hague as a prospect vs. Stanley.

I think they are about the same but Hague might be ahead because his offensive production is really solid.

Its like Dax said Hague is a boom/bust type of guy because If he doesn't learn to play defense he can't play in the NHL if he doesn't score. He reminds me a bit like Cody Franson with a mean streak.

 

[ps241]

Hague is one of the guys I hope we don't reach for at 13.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Nicolas Hague vs Logan Stanley - which player is more NHL Ready?

They were paired together at the U 18 camp at MTS centre last april. Hague was more impressive IMO.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

If Heiskanen, Valimaki, Liljegren, Mittelstadt(future replacement for Little) or Glass(Pick for the Future) are still there pick them if not trade the pick(unless one of the top 3 fall in our lap).

 

[ps241]

So one of Dax's posts yesterday in another thread about value of position got me thinking. If defense and centre carry a greater value than winger and the gap is large especially between winger and D men then maybe we should look at the centres in the top 13 of this draft and analyze whether they will stay at centre in the NHL?

Guys we won't get a shot at:

Patrick
Hischier

The rest:

Glass
Vilardi
Pettersson*
Necas*
Mittlestadt*
Suzuki
Rasmussen
Poehling
Andersson

I have put the * beside the players I speculate are at some risk to be converted to Nylander type scoring wingers. Now that is only my opinion based on nothing but a wild ass guess. Any thoughts on this topic? Am I overthinking this a bit perhaps given the two months of spare time we have in Winnipeg?