Tobias Kahun
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I don't know why people say the game is 'faster than ever'
It's slower (granted, it's a bit better this year) and players are lacking in creativity more than they ever did. The 90s were filled with superstar talents, the Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, Sakic, Forsberg, Bure, Fedorov, Yzerman, Hull, Lindros, Kariya, Selanne, Modano, Fleury, Gilmour, etc etc.
Today's 'best-players', save for a handful, are glorified grinders valued for their 'two-way play'. When a 30-30 guy like Bergeron is proclaimed as one of the best Cs.. sorry, I don't buy it.
I'm going to disagree,i don't think players are that much faster but the game is slightly becauce of the two line pass.Like today in the 90s there were fast guys and everyone else.I would put the fastest of that era vs todays speedsters. Teemu ,Sakic,Feds,Bure etc...were also good with the puck at speec and shoot on the fly. I personally don't see the gap.The players overall are faster then ever. That doesn't mean the games themselves play out faster.
I'm going to disagree,i don't think players are that much faster but the game is slightly becauce of the two line pass.Like today in the 90s there were fast guys and everyone else.I would put the fastest of that era vs todays speedsters. Teemu ,Sakic,Feds,Bure etc...were also good with the puck at speec and shoot on the fly. I personally don't see the gap.
Bottom pairings just have a different role these days. Used to be those guys punnished players for entering their zone,guys like Hatcher were good at that,though not extremely fast.Chara isn't fast yet still plays and played and was effective in that era.I agree the Scott Parkers are gone and replaced with T Glass of the new slightly faster much less physical NHL.The gap is in the pace of the game and the average players speed. Nearly everyone can skate pretty well now, even 12 or so years ago their were still a lot of slow defensemen, unskilled bottom liners and strictly goons in the league.
He's closer to 50 than he is to 40, and apparently players are done at 30 on here. It's also a sustainable pace for him given what we saw last season, around 50 points for a guy his age? Is there anyone in the league older than 38 right now capable of this?
Forsberg would had decimated this league.
Maybe Marleau? But he's exactly 38.
So many great players were stymied by the dead puck era. I feel bad for all those players who had their primes between '96 and '04.
Sundin, Forsberg, Lindros (with blindside headhunting made illegal).. and many others.
Bottom pairings just have a different role these days. Used to be those guys punnished players for entering their zone,guys like Hatcher were good at that,though not extremely fast.Chara isn't fast yet still plays and played and was effective in that era.I agree the Scott Parkers are gone and replaced with T Glass of the new slightly faster much less physical NHL.
To be the game was more fun to watch back when when idiots like Barniby were around
Sundin is basically the only notable forward who managed to stay healthy throughout that era.
I'm going to disagree,i don't think players are that much faster but the game is slightly becauce of the two line pass.Like today in the 90s there were fast guys and everyone else.I would put the fastest of that era vs todays speedsters. Teemu ,Sakic,Feds,Bure etc...were also good with the puck at speec and shoot on the fly. I personally don't see the gap.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn't claiming today's best players are faster then yesterday's. I was saying "overall" players are faster today.
Would have probably been better to say "on average" players are faster today. The speed of bottom 6 forwards and lower pairing defensemen has increased since yesteryears.
100% would. He put 150+ during the clutch and grab dead puck era and actually had speed. He wouldve destroyed this league now. Lemieux even more.
I never understood what was so interesting about hypothetical hockey scenarios. Especially for someone like Jagr who couldn't be further from a "what could have been" player.He decimated the league he was in...
I never understood what was so interesting about hypothetical hockey scenarios. Especially for someone like Jagr who couldn't be further from a "what could have been" player.
Is there any doubt that if Howie Morenz had been born in 1995 he would be destroying today's League?
Is there any doubt that if Mario Lemieux had been born in 1910 he would have destroyed the proto-NHL?
When Gretzky was 5-10 years past his prime he outscored Jagr, but Jagr today would destroy the NHL while Gretzky would get 70 points if he was lucky.
I think this is an intelligent thread. Carry on!
Yes, and he had that luck for 80 games per year and every playoff for 12 seasons, plus regular international tournaments against the best players in the world, consistently, game in and game out.He only put up points because bad goaltending or something and didn't actually have any skill, just a 190 IQ and a lot of luck.
Yes, and he had that luck for 80 games per year and every playoff for 12 seasons, plus regular international tournaments against the best players in the world, consistently, game in and game out.
Oh, and also goaltending only became good at the exact moment Gretzky stopped leading the NHL in goals.
Credibility shot after "prime Gretzky would score about 70 points"