Is there any doubt that a Prime Jagr would have decimated this league?

[tarheelhockey]

He’s physically perfect for this league. Fast enough to play north-south, strong and heavy enough to bull through defenders. And some of the best handles you’ll ever see.

No reason he wouldn’t dominate today’s NHL just like he did in his 20s.

 

[rent free]

Dude, Jagr had 66 points two years ago when he was already almost fossil.

he was playing with bark and hooby

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

What the title says.

Dude is 45 going on 46 and he is still effective in the era wherea prime Gretzky would score about 70 pts.

Where Prime Gretzky would only score 70 points?

Well thanks for letting us know that we don't have to take anything you say seriously.

 

[NewUser293223]

he was playing with bark and hooby

And? Should he have played by himself?

 

[Future GOAT]

Dude is a legend, but yes, there is doubt.

 

[Dustin]

Gretzky would barely be able to play in the AHL but Jagr would be the greatest player of all time if he played today.

I mean if only they played at the same time, then we could see who was the better player. There's no way an older broken down Gretzky ever scored more than a younger version of Jagr. Never happened......

 

[rent free]

And? Should he have played by himself?

no he should have played with himself

 

[NewUser293223]

no he should have played with himself

Dude, had they scored 80-90 points each, it would have been much easier to turn Jagr into a lucky loser who got to play with these two studs. But he outscored them both. Anyway, this is not the conversation I wanna any piece of.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

in the era wherea prime Gretzky would score about 70 pts.

If you want a thread to stay on topic a good way is to not include this in the OP.

 

[DDRhockey]

Forsberg would had decimated this league.

 

[LeafsLegendAkiBerg]

Gretzky would barely be able to play in the AHL but Jagr would be the greatest player of all time if he played today.

I mean if only they played at the same time, then we could see who was the better player. There's no way an older broken down Gretzky ever scored more than a younger version of Jagr. Never happened......

Pfft, Gretzky would barely be an EHCL player today. Clearly Jagr was just going easy on poor old Wanye back then.

 

[SC2GM]

Jagr is at 12 minutes of ice time per game, this season. No one in the league is going to be a PPG player at 12 minutes of ice time. His productivity is still on par with the best players in the game. At the moment, no one is destroying the league, and they're far from being 45 or 46. So, if I had to bet on someone to destroy the league, it would be a prime Jagr.

 

[daver]

Jagr is at 12 minutes of ice time per game, this season. No one in the league is going to be a PPG player at 12 minutes of ice time. His productivity is still on par with the best players in the game. At the moment, no one is destroying the league, and they're far from being 45 or 46. So, if I had to bet on someone to destroy the league, it would be a prime Jagr.

Jagr has a higher p/60 than McDavid therefore Jagr >McDavid.

 

[LeafsLegendAkiBerg]

Jagr has a higher p/60 than McDavid therefore Jagr >McDavid.

A prime McDavid in Jagr's era would have trouble hitting 30 points because reasons.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Any of the star players of the 90s would be stars today.JJ and Teemu proved that as shells of themselves.

 

[Chimpradamus]

No, he wouldn't. He would struggle alot more in his prime than during these days. The game is alot faster, defenders aren't allowed to play lumberjacks (to his advantage), 4th lines aren't a joke with a goon gliding on the leathers of their skates to try to approach the other goon for the staged fight. They are actually an offensive threat given a chance and know how to play hockey. Goalies are infinitely better, teams actually have a system to defend and defensemen can actually skate, know how to block shots, cut off passing lanes and where to position themselves.

I get that you want to romanicise how things were, but no. Gretzky would never be close to his records against full pro teams, Lemieux would never have his scoring streaks and Jagr would never be able to dominate as he did. Just no.

Players like Gretzky, Orr and Lemieux were ahead of their era, but where they better? Heck no. They would still be stars, they would still be generational, but they would never produce the points they had, not even close. The reason they are seen as truly greats is because they were generational and ahead of their era, but they did play in a hockey game that was kind of a circus compared to today.

NHL players today are too well trained, too fit, skilled and smart enough that the absurd numbers during previous eras will never, ever be established again, because now they are actually professional teams down to the last line at 200 ft of the ice - and in the net. Even below average goalies are infinitely better than most goalies during previous eras. It's impossible.

That's why you can't compare players to different eras. It's a completely different game.

 

[MikeK]

None of us knows. The only thing we can say for certain is that Jagr is one of the top players ever to play in the NHL.

 

[B17 Apricots]

This is pretty much what I think of any time people bring up past players. I feel like it's just people with goofy emotional attachments. It'll be great in 20 years when the people growing up watching Ovi, Crosby, Karlsson, McDavid blabber away about how they would put up a billion points if they were still playing. The best is the crowd that genuinely thinks Gretzky would be putting up even more than his 215 in todays age.

 

[Brian McDavid]

What the title says.

Dude is 45 going on 46 and he is still effective in the era wherea prime Gretzky would score about 70 pts.

Lock it up for this statement alone.

 

[Caged Great]

Prime Jagr probably puts up 150 points this season due to the lack of being able to hook and hold him. Imagine a fast skating 6-5 230 pound monster that you can't interfere with and is one of the top scorers in NHL history.

He would destroy everything.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Credibility shot after "prime Gretzky would score about 70 points"

 

[TheAngryHank]

Look at it this way, what would the Devils ,Wings,Avs teams of the late 90s do to 2017 NHL ,regular season and playoffs.

 

[authentic]

Prime Jagr probably puts up 150 points this season due to the lack of being able to hook and hold him. Imagine a fast skating 6-5 230 pound monster that you can't interfere with and is one of the top scorers in NHL history.

He would destroy everything.

He's 6'3 and he wouldn't approach 130 in this era, forget about 150. He would IMO dominate today as he did then, possibly a bit less. He would score around 100-110.

 

[PsYcNeT]

Look at it this way, what would the Devils ,Wings,Avs teams of the late 90s do to 2017 NHL ,regular season and playoffs.

Most likely spend roughly 60% of each game on the PK and miss the playoffs as a result.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

These threads arent that far off from debating who would win a fight between batman and superman.