Is there any doubt that a Prime Jagr would have decimated this league?

[CanadienShark]

absolutely. prime jagr was playing in an era where scoring was insanely high. prime jagr would get 60-70 points

You're so full of it.

I honestly can't think of one sensible post you've made.

 

[Riddum]

No, he wouldn't. He would struggle alot more in his prime than during these days. The game is alot faster, defenders aren't allowed to play lumberjacks (to his advantage), 4th lines aren't a joke with a goon gliding on the leathers of their skates to try to approach the other goon for the staged fight. They are actually an offensive threat given a chance and know how to play hockey. Goalies are infinitely better, teams actually have a system to defend and defensemen can actually skate, know how to block shots, cut off passing lanes and where to position themselves.

I get that you want to romanicise how things were, but no. Gretzky would never be close to his records against full pro teams, Lemieux would never have his scoring streaks and Jagr would never be able to dominate as he did. Just no.

Players like Gretzky, Orr and Lemieux were ahead of their era, but where they better? Heck no. They would still be stars, they would still be generational, but they would never produce the points they had, not even close. The reason they are seen as truly greats is because they were generational and ahead of their era, but they did play in a hockey game that was kind of a circus compared to today.

NHL players today are too well trained, too fit, skilled and smart enough that the absurd numbers during previous eras will never, ever be established again, because now they are actually professional teams down to the last line at 200 ft of the ice - and in the net. Even below average goalies are infinitely better than most goalies during previous eras. It's impossible.

That's why you can't compare players to different eras. It's a completely different game.

But Jagr has played in this era. And despite being 45 (do you realize his age???) he is still competitive.

Even last year, he scored 8 less points than the leader of his team... In the era where players are too fit. Too good. Too skilled

Florida Panthers 2016-17 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

2 years ago, he lead his team!

Florida Panthers 2015-16 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

 

[Richard]

I HATE JAGR and..... he'd score 120-150 points depending on team in his prime. How could you stop him now with speed? You couldn't. Him and Mario would be literally unstoppable individually (not saying if they played together).

Jagr and Mario would dominate this league. You can't grab how the F are you gonna stop em? You arent.

 

[daver]

I HATE JAGR and..... he'd score 120-150 points depending on team in his prime. How could you stop him now with speed? You couldn't. Him and Mario would be literally unstoppable individually (not saying if they played together).

Jagr and Mario would dominate this league. You can't grab how the F are you gonna stop em? You arent.

Uhhh.... the same way that any offensively great player is contained these days. There is zero reason to think that he would be any more dominant.

By your reasoning,players like Selanne, Forsberg, Sakic would be putting up 110 to 140 points.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Most likely spend roughly 60% of each game on the PK and miss the playoffs as a result.

Meanwhile how many pims does Crosby have?
The top teams of the 90s would dominate 2017.

 

[Felidae]

I completely agree Gretzky and Lemieux wouldn't produce the totals they did in the 80's and 90s. However, that doesn't detract from the trophies they accumulated which is evidence of their domination and moreso the margins in which they dominated. I still think they would be better than the current players of today, and the productivity ( As in, legitimately elite production) of inferior players that aged into the modern NHL while spending a significant amount of their prime in Gretzky and Lemieux's era is as much corroboration as there can be when comparing players from different era's. Selanne is the exemplification of this fact.

 

[Apotheosis]

He would routinely put up 110-115 points. He was most definitely a physical specimen. And your Gretzky comment is hilarious. Crosby put up multiple 100 point seasons on great hockey sense/vision and grinding alone. Gretzky's hockey IQ, vision, hands and hockey sense are in a different stratosphere than anyone else. He would torch this league.

 

[Apotheosis]

Also, the comment directed (the long one) at the past players not being able to produce in "this" era is such a farce. Jagr was the third best player of that generation of players and he still didn't come close to matching the sheer dominance of Mario or Wayne. A 35 year old Jagr scored 123 points in the more modern NHL and when you account for increased penalties in 2005-2007, that's still roughly 102 points today. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think the two best offensive players to ever play this game wouldn't routinely destroy scoring by 20-30 points minimum if the defacto 3rd best player of their generation was scoring higher point totals than even the best players of THIS generation have ever done at the age of 35.

 

[skillhockey]

Jagr from 94 to 01 would score 120+ every year in this league.

 

[daver]

Jagr from 94 to 01 would score 120+ every year in this league.

Based on what?

 

[Statto]

What the title says.

Dude is 45 going on 46 and he is still effective in the era wherea prime Gretzky would score about 70 pts.

Not all that doubtful.

Nothing is a statistical certainty but it’s certainly probable.

 

[Statto]

These threads arent that far off from debating who would win a fight between batman and superman.

Superman AINEC

 

[TheAngryHank]

Based on what?

Him being better than Crosby and can stay healthy.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Jagr is washed up.

Stop making so many threads about him.

Yes he would be a star...duh

 

[Riddum]

Jagr is washed up.

That's exactly the premise though. The dude is one of the greatest players ever. Top 5 offensive player. He's 45 and he's still able to play with the players of today. Don't you wonder how he would do, if he was still in his prime?

 

[PsYcNeT]

Meanwhile how many pims does Crosby have?
The top teams of the 90s would dominate 2017.

Except you're talking teams that were 50% skill players and 50% undisciplined clutch n grab goons.

What do Crosby's PIMs have do with the price of tea in China?

 

[TheAngryHank]

Except you're talking teams that were 50% skill players and 50% undisciplined clutch n grab goons.

What do Crosby's PIMs have do with the price of tea in China?

Thats not true at all.
Example ,Abby has been playing on the Wings for years and he wouldn't sniff a chance at cracking the roster of the late 90s Wings. Those teams never started teenagers because those rosters were impossible to crack.The grind line was arguably the best shut down line in NHL history. Dmack could play hockey.He could shoot ,work the boards,dude had talent.Draper was a speedster like Madden in NJ with selke D,all were extremely good role players with skill.You couldn't be more wrong about how good the worst player on the Wings /Devils/Avs actually were. People say these days the 4th liners of today are so much better than back in the 90s, Its simply not true in all cases.

And the Pims.. Pens "star player" seems to be leading his team in pims.
Stars can wrack up as many pims as anyone.

 

[K Fleur]

Meanwhile how many pims does Crosby have?
The top teams of the 90s would dominate 2017.

The top teams of the 90’s would never exist in a salary cap league.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

What the title says.

Dude is 45 going on 46 and he is still effective in the era wherea prime Gretzky would score about 70 pts.

Add a 1 in front of the 70 and you're probably right.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Are people forgetting Gretzky scored 90+ points in the dead puck era when he was in his late 30s?

 

[vancityluongo]

He said two years ago that he was in better shape then, than he was during his 20s & 30s, so it isn't as simple as that.

Jagr is still decent due to his size. If he had Fleury's body, he would be gone 15 years ago.

If he had Fleury's body he wouldn't be Jaromir Jagr.

This is not directed at the quoted poster, but this thread in general; it's one thing to discount, say Gordie Howe, and say that his level of physical dominance wouldn't hold up in this era because of the difference in how penalties are called. Even the other way to discount someone like Eddie Shore who was a physical specimen for his day but wouldn't be now because of the general size increase. But Jagr's physicality not only holds up right now (as in, he literally plays at age 46), but his style of play also translates incredibly well to how the game is played now. Jagr was never one to rack up goals by unleashing clappers from the blueline on flailing standup goalies. He dominates/d through unbelievable possession plays along the boards and by having the IQ to match that immense physical advantage. That holds up in any era, and apparently for him, at any age.

 

[TheAngryHank]

The top teams of the 90’s would never exist in a salary cap league.

What I'm saying is not all these so called "Goons" were no talent scrubs.You had to be tough if your name wasn't Mario ,Wayne etc..
Today there are players that can't play or goon it up.Sure there were straight up goons like Parker but most of the goons had game.
Side note,tell me you wouldn't kill to have Draper as your 3C right now.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

If he had Fleury's body he wouldn't be Jaromir Jagr.

This is not directed at the quoted poster, but this thread in general; it's one thing to discount, say Gordie Howe, and say that his level of physical dominance wouldn't hold up in this era because of the difference in how penalties are called. Even the other way to discount someone like Eddie Shore who was a physical specimen for his day but wouldn't be now because of the general size increase. But Jagr's physicality not only holds up right now (as in, he literally plays at age 46), but his style of play also translates incredibly well to how the game is played now. Jagr was never one to rack up goals by unleashing clappers from the blueline on flailing standup goalies. He dominates/d through unbelievable possession plays along the boards and by having the IQ to match that immense physical advantage. That holds up in any era, and apparently for him, at any age.

Partly true.

Howe and Shore would not even make an OHL team today.

 

[Flameshomer]

Lol Jagr had 123 points right after the lockout as a 36 year old, just behind Joe Thornton for the league lead, and guys in here saying he tops out at 110 points in his prime. Prime Jagr would win the scoring title. Imagine if Kucherov were 6'3 and over 210 pounds lol

 

[ManofSteel55]

Prime Jagr had motivation issues that old man Jagr doesn't have. If he wanted to be the best in today's NHL he would be among the elite (Crosby, McDavid, Karlsson), but if he was just going through the motions like he did at times in his younger days, then he wouldn't be. He would still be very, very good though.