Speculation: Is Marner worth four 1st rounders now?

[Nico the Draft Riser]

The question for me isnt is he worth four 1sts, its can you still build around him at 12+ AAV?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

I agree it makes it interesting. I'd be all for it if they didn't sign one of Lee, Eberle, or Nelson. Throw in Marner at 12.5 and Barzal at 12.5 next year. They would have 43.5 million tied up in those 5 guys.

To be fair moving Nelson or Eberle wouldnt be too difficult I dont think

No way anyone takes that Lee contract though

 

[JeffNYI]

I wouldn’t trade 4 of these guys combined for him in hindsight, would you?

Matt Barzal
Anthony Beauvillier
Kieffer Bellows
Oliver Wahlstrom
Noah Dobson
Simon Holmstrom

The more apples-to-apples comparison would be Vancouver 2011-15

2011: Niklas Jensen (29th) -- not the Caps d-man
2012: Brendan Gaunce (26th)
2013: Hunter Shinkaruk (24th)
2014: Jared McCann (24th)
2015: Brock Boeser (23rd)

Pick any 4 of those and tell me you don't trade them for Marner..

 

[macleod50]

To be fair moving Nelson or Eberle wouldnt be too difficult I dont think

No way anyone takes that Lee contract though

Eberle would be the odd man out in my view. I like Eberle but I am one of the few around here who thinks that he is trending downwards, playoffs notwithstanding. This team can't be giving away goals. Him and Filppula had 36 last year. That's not chump change. Marner and a cheapo center might replace it.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Might one infer from your comment that Marner is more of a playmaker?

I read a quote from Marner saying his primary goal is to become more of a net attacker

 

[Quickdraw2828]

I’d personally value Pulock at about a (1/2 to 2/3) of Marner’s value. I’d say closer to 2/3rds. So you would have to make the difference from there.

Yeah wasn't implying straight up, I just think those guys are just what the other team needs. I suspect when Pulock's contract is up he'll be around Mark Stone money.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

I agree it makes it interesting. I'd be all for it if they didn't sign one of Lee, Eberle, or Nelson. Throw in Marner at 12.5 and Barzal at 12.5 next year. They would have 43.5 million tied up in those 5 guys.

Man I'm not letting Barzal anywhere need free agency. Free Agency isn't the Islanders friend and his dabbling in expensive clothes and hanging out with actors doesn't scream suburbs lover. We sign him early or if he doesn't sign we trade his azz like we should have pajamadouche

 

[CupHolders]

Yeah wasn't implying straight up, I just think those guys are just what the other team needs. I suspect when Pulock's contract is up he'll be around Mark Stone money.

Oh, I was aware that you meant it as a package. I was just trying to figure what that package could look like from the Isles.

EDIT: stupid autocorrect.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Dobson
Wahlstrom
2 1sts

is my offer...if you want to save some money on Magic.

 

[eoin92]

Dobson
Wahlstrom
2 1sts

is my offer...if you want to save some money on Magic.

Yeah, no. I’d rather give up four firsts.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Yeah, no. I’d rather give up four firsts.

You still are...

 

[eoin92]

You still are...

I am aware of that, but two of those former firsts are known commodities. I’d rather give up four unknowns than two we already know, and are high on, plus two unknowns.

 

[CupHolders]

You still are...

Nah, Dobson is easily worth more than a single mid-twenty something pick.

And Leafs or someone will have to take salary back. You can have Bailey or the first if someone else trades for him.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Nah, Dobson is easily worth more than a single mid-twenty something pick.

And Leafs or someone will have to take salary back. You can have Bailey or the first if someone else trades for him.

We're giving something of value, you give us something.

 

[PWJunior]

We're giving something of value, you give us something.

And the 8 figure cap hit is nothing for us to take on?

Not giving the ELC's of Dobson and Wahlstrom plus 2 1sts.

 

[Pyrophorus]

And the 8 figure cap hit is nothing for us to take on?

Not giving the ELC's of Dobson and Wahlstrom plus 2 1sts.

Its to save you money. Maybe Lou can whittle down Ferris to 7 figures instead of 8.

 

[CupHolders]

We're giving something of value, you give us something.

If you saw earlier I willingly included a first pair RHD in Ryan Pulock who is set to make 2mil this year as a start. Makes more sense when considering TMLs window.

 

[PWJunior]

Its to save you money. Maybe Lou can whittle down Ferris to 7 figures instead of 8.

Spare me the BS. Like Ferris is going to do us a favor when he won't for Toronto.

Stop wasting our time with your fantasy talk. Dobson isn't going anywhere.

 

[SI90]

As per the poll... Is Marner worth four first rounders?

Yes.

Is it wise/worth offer sheeting him?

Not so sure.

Pretty much my feelings. I’d hate to be sitting on pins and needles the next 4 years.

Also, while Marner is electric and an elite talent we’re not exactly talking about a guy with a huge track record(mostly because of his age) or an elite goal scorer.

Yes, he has 90+ points but as we saw with Barzal in Trotz defense first system those points could be a good amount fewer. I’d prefer a guy with an elite shot who is more of a sniper if I’m giving up that much.

I just think the risk might not be worth the reward.

 

[SI90]

Spare me the BS. Like Ferris is going to do us a favor when he won't for Toronto.

Stop wasting our time with your fantasy talk. Dobson isn't going anywhere.

Ferris has one job, to make Marner as much money as possible.

 

[SI90]

Dobson
Wahlstrom
2 1sts

is my offer...if you want to save some money on Magic.

You spelled Salo and Ho-Sang wrong.

 

[CupHolders]

Pretty much my feelings. I’d hate to be sitting on pins and needles the next 4 years.

Also, while Marner is electric and an elite talent we’re not exactly talking about a guy with a huge track record or an elite goal scorer.

Yes, he has 90+ points but as we saw with Barzal in Trotz defense first system those points could be a good amount fewer. I’d prefer a guy with an elite shot who is more of a sniper if I’m giving up that much.

I just think the risk might not be worth the reward.

Hmm... good point on an elite shot player under Trotz system.

But what I do like about Marner is that he is a line driver akin to a center. Also think he would be a good match for Lee and Nelson.

 

[SI90]

Hmm... good point on an elite shot player under Trotz system.

But what I do like about Marner is that he is a line driver akin to a center. Also think he would be a good match for Lee and Nelson.

Agreed on him being a line driver. He’s a lot like Barzal. Really think he could potentially play center. I’d give him a shot there.

 

[CupHolders]

You spelled Salo and Ho-Sang wrong.

Hold up! You’re trading Batman! Did you run this by @doublechili first?

 

[SI90]

Hold up! You’re trading Batman! Did you run this by @doublechili first?

We have to give to get but 2 1st’s + our 2 best prospects is a little ridiculous.

Dobson is an absolute untouchable for me and Wahlstrom is close to that as well.