Value of: High end package from New Jersey
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AfroThunder396
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Siegenthaler has been a steaming pile of ass for the last 18 months. He had one great year and then forgot how to play defense, it's genuinely mind-boggling. He's been a healthy scratch at times because he's been so bad. There were red flags last season, but most of us were willing to ignore them because he team was winning. But now it's clear he's a #4 guy who can PK a bit and nothing more.
Santeri Hatakka, an AHL defenseman that was a throw-in in the Meier trade last year, has legit been a better defenseman than him this year.
If his value has dropped to a fair price for a 35 year old 6 million dollar goalie, sure.
But since the previous negotiations:
The most valuable year of Markstrom has been burned.
He's been at an 0.878 sv%, negative GSAx, and 3.5 GAA
He then got hurt.
Wouldn't pay a 1st for him unretained. At this point I'd offer a 2nd+market value of whatever retention is available.
Wow, does he get an excuse for everything? Must be nice to be GM of the Devils.
AirGut
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Looked for a goalie all year.
If a goalie wasn't available at a reasonable price, I'm quite glad he didn't overpay
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in all sincerity, if you think that you're getting that for Markstrom.....you should probably re-consider
Perratrooper
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Need is an LD. Girard would be of more interest but Fitzgerald has stated to prefer long, mobile dman
PizzaAndPucks
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You did enough to comment. Also one of them completely stonewalled the Rangers last year when they had an even more stacked roster.
Also Daws had plenty of good games this season for the Devils. The kid still has plenty of potential to be something at the NHL level.
The Crypto Guy
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Seems like a wasted year. It’s the GMs job to find solutions to problems and at this level excuses are meaningless.
It's a GMs job to put the team in the best possible position long term.
Sure you could massively overpay for a goalie, the most volatile position in hockey. Then what happens if next year said goalie, as goalies tend to do, plays completely different. Then do you go out and buy another expensive goalie? Oh wait, you gave up your entire future already in this scenario.
Or what if you then need to fill another hole. But oh wait, you overpaid so now there's nothing left.
With an injured Jack, dougie out for the year, still one of the youngest teams in hockey. This was not the year to go all in.
Maybe if things were like they were in the first month or so all year, where the team was healthy, playing fantastic, and getting sold completely by goaltenders. Sure, then you're 1 piece away and you go for it.
But that is not what the case was.
You'd have destroyed the teams long term window to try and salvage a year where your top 2 dmen are 20 years old, all of your highest paid players have missed significant time with injury, just to sneak into the playoffs.
The fact that you start from a position of it has to be an overpay to get a goaltender is just non sense.
Based on every report from insiders, the asking prices on goalies this season were astronomically higher than they've been at any point in the last 20 years.
Even through your extreme bias and inability to be objective about anything related to the Devil, certianly you understand that when it comes to evaluating young NHL talent and potential, it is important to consider their full body of work up until that point, right?
What were the asking prices and for who?
It’s always “impossible” to make a good trade when the GM can’t get the job done. To most fans it was impossible the Jets get a good return on Dubois. Turned out alright in the end. Good GMs find solutions.
Allegedly calgary wanted Holtz+1st for an unretained markstrom
Nashville wanted 1st+Mercer+Holtz for Saros.
Both of these prices would have been ridiculous overpays and set the franchise back significantly.
Again, for comparison, the most a goalie has recieved in the last decade was 9th overall for Schneider.
Schneider was 26, cost controlled (18th highest salary), and over the previous 3 years ranked 1st in Save%, 1st in GAA, and 2nd in GSAx/60 (4th in overall GSAx).
Wierzbowski426
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i have to defend crypto here. if you were a fan of an original six team with a total of three stanley cups, you also wouldn't like to look at the past.
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I don't think anyone was saying that a good return wouldn't be out there for a near PPG centerman.
But the kings overpaying for PLD is in fact more evidence to suggest that you should just pass on the trade if the price is ridiculous.
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Would NJ be interested in having Graves back? Straight up for Siegenthaler?
No, not at all. If NJD wanted Graves at 4.5 for 6 years they'd have signed him to that deal.
If Pitt wants him gone NJD would probably take him back as a cap dump, or with retention to make him a more palatable asset.
I would definitely have no interest in that. I can live with Sieg's contract even if he were to get bounced down to a third pairing role. No reason to take on a higher cap hit and an extra year.
