Yeah we're burying kids for not being Patrick Roy outta da gate. Probelm is though, Fitz cannot go into next season with either Allen/Kakohneen, or any combo with Allen and the youngsters. I see it as a placeholder for a starter, so Starte/Allen with ND/AS in Utica. If Akira want out like I hear, move him for assets, if that means showcasing him then it does. Only other thing to do is pkg with and get value for him
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Billdo
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If it help facilitate a trade Montreal could take Holtz off your hands for WIN 1st and a second round pick (similar trade to Newhook). One of our young D can also be on the table instead of the second round pick
Who know, maybe the team who has assets that you want would prefer draft picks over Holtz
Who know, maybe the team who has assets that you want would prefer draft picks over Holtz
Scintillating10
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Montreal probably could trade you one of their young D for your first pick? Not moving Guhle, Wifi, Reinbacher nor Hutson.
It’s an interesting collection of assets but not enticing. If Boston moves Swayman it’s to get more of a sure thing to impact the team now, not a collection of maybes. Holtz would have the same problems getting time in Boston with his play away from the puck. Casey plays at a position when the Bruins have McAvoy and Carlo locked up for a long time. The first is in the part of the draft that isn’t great compared to most years. Like it’s a fine offer in EA Sports, but completely uninteresting in real life.
Monsieur Verdoux
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Who are these young defensemen who could get a first round pick from the Devils? Because I can't find any if you are not willing to trade Guhle, Wifi, Reinbacher or Hutson. Devils don't need someone like Mailloux (or Hutson), they need someone who can actually defend.
Scintillating10
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Struble is solid with huge upside. I have him better than Romanov
Maybe for Ullmark, but Swayman is younger and has even more upside. Casey does nothing for me and I prefer Mercer over Holtz.
Yeah, i saw a guy hit a royal flush playing poker on TV. I should definitely bet my next hand like I'm going to hit a royal flush on the river.
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Yeah. I don't really see him making huge revisions to the defence either. The whole...letting Graves and Severson walk thing was always a bit of a gamble and a "take a step back to take two steps forward" sort of thing. It was always about not committing to older guys, because there are young players coming, like Nemec and Hughes.
There's a bit of a missing link there though...where it seems pretty doubled up on certain skillsets. Though that probably looks more like you're suggesting...trying to find an upgrade on Bahl as a physical, defensive/matchup sort of presence. Bahl hasn't filled Graves' shoes at all. So that's something that you probably have to figure out to get Marino going again. Heck, they could probably get Graves himself back for not that much if they wanted to.
As far as Severson...i think Nemec has pretty much stepped in and backfilled that. With a year of experience under his belt, i think that's all pretty squared away down the RHD side.
But that's where it probably makes even less sense to move Siegenthaler in a deal, where he may have had a down year (low point in his value) but is still effectively their best defensive-oriented LHD. Where they really need to add another player like that, rather than subtract one. Unless he's being packaged for a major LHD upgrade...i'm still not sure how that would even look. That value contract he's on seems like an important part of the cap structure anyway.
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Three way?
Avs - ulnark Colorado gets the goalie we need
Devils - Georgiev and Josh Manso - devils get a physical RD and a 1A/1B Goalie
Bruins - NJ 2nd, Colorado first, Oskar O Boston gets first rounder a second rounder and a former 1rd winger
HOW FAR AM I OFF?
Avs - ulnark Colorado gets the goalie we need
Devils - Georgiev and Josh Manso - devils get a physical RD and a 1A/1B Goalie
Bruins - NJ 2nd, Colorado first, Oskar O Boston gets first rounder a second rounder and a former 1rd winger
HOW FAR AM I OFF?
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Vezina winning goalie has to be worth something, if NJ had him this year they would be much higher in the standings.
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if Ullmark (or any of these goalies) gets moved, the B's will be very underwhelmed with the return, as is tradition on HFBoards. Especially for a goalie.
Far closer than that pkg you put together and any trade in hockey history says so.
montreal definitely would. none of the remaining prospects is probably worth a 1st and you want the devils late lottery pick.
i already said too much.
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Honestly, I think that GMs are starting to figure out than in todays post giant pads world the delta between a good goalie and “a guy” is bigger than it was in the past. I also think that fans make this erroneous connection between all the average goalies that have been moved in the past versus the top guys that just don’t ever get moved.
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