Worst GM in the league right now

[RogerR]

One of the few things I could hold against Dubas is his big ticket signings but I don't care about it much in that the big money is going to stars in their primes. He probably runs one of the only teams that doesn't have a single bad contract that would be tough to move, which is refreshing.

Over the timeframe of their signings (to date) Matthews is 13th in Pts/GP and 1st in total goals, Marner is 8th in Pts/GP and 3rd in A/GP,, Tavares is 24th in Pts/GP and 9th in goals. I can live with that.

This. He can move any contract. The idea Leafs are poster boys for "Cap hell" is so absurd and laughable when compared to all teams. The constant "4 players 40 million" was such a lazy narrative that gave you very little insight into the entire roster and overall cap situation Dubas has done a great job. Do not overpay support talent.

 

[Skolman]

This. He can move any contract. The idea Leafs are poster boys for "Cap hell" is so absurd and laughable when compared to all teams. The constant "4 players 40 million" was such a lazy narrative that gave you very little insight into the entire roster and overall cap situation Dubas has done a great job. Do not overpay support talent.

Pretty much every GM can, if you pay a team enough to take on the contract

Example: Marleau + 1st round pick

 

[RogerR]

Pretty much every GM can, if you pay a team enough to take on the contract

Example: Marleau + 1st round pick

If you;re trying to say all teams are like the Leafs, I completely disagree. There are teams with 4-5 horrific deals they can't move
Leafs are in a pretty solid cap situation right now.

 

[BlueBaron]

Pretty much every GM can, if you pay a team enough to take on the contract

Example: Marleau + 1st round pick

Weak. I think his point was Dubas would get value back for any player on the roster, not pay to move them. AJ and Kapanen come to mind.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

So far it would have to be Jim Benning, I know he didn't have much room but come on, letting Toffoli go at that cap hit was simply stupid!

Before last season I would have most probably voted Bergevin, but he had a "great off season " and possibly saved his job at the same time!!

 

[RogerR]

So far it would have to be Jim Benning, I know he didn't have much room but come on, letting Toffoli go at that cap hit was simply stupid!

Before last season I would have most probably voted Bergevin, but he had a "great off season " and possibly saved his job at the same time!!

Benning would have gladly paid that to Toffoli, but he put the team in cap hell and couldn't do it.

 

[RogerR]

Weak. I think his point was Dubas would get value back for any player on the roster, not pay to move them. AJ and Kapanen come to mind.

Yup. Look at the fantastic value he got for Kapanen. Best value trade any GM made in the offseason.

 

[CTZ181]

I really don't like many of the moves Dubas has made over the last few years. The Brodie acquisition was a good one. I know the team is doing well but I just don't see them competing in the playoffs. And it was weird signing Thornton when you already have Spezza.

Don't know how people are picking Bergevin. That Montreal team is solid throughout the lineup now with a lot of young players.

 

[RogerR]

I really don't like many of the moves Dubas has made over the last few years. The Brodie acquisition was a good one. I know the team is doing well but I just don't see them competing in the playoffs. And it was weird signing Thornton when you already have Spezza.

Don't know how people are picking Bergevin. That Montreal team is solid throughout the lineup now with a lot of young players.

You must be excluding an awful lot then. Holl pick-up and signing, Muzzin trade and signing, Hyman trade. Sandin trade down in the draft, Kapanen trade, Simmonds, Spezza, Thornton signings. Lehtonen and Mikeyev signings. HIs drafting since he took over looks fantastic without any high picks. The last 2 years at the world juniors the player named top D was Dubas picks.

You don't see them winning ever in the playoffs because they've never "Won a round". It's quite frankly a dumb assessment. The team is different and has core pieces now in their primes.

A lot of these knocks on Dubas aren't aging too well.

 

[CTZ181]

You must be excluding an awful lot then. Holl pick-up and signing, Muzzin trade and signing, Hyman trade. Sandin trade down in the draft, Kapanen trade, Simmonds, Spezza, Thornton signings. Lehtonen and Mikeyev signings. HIs drafting since he took over looks fantastic without any high picks. The last 2 years at the world juniors the player named top D was Dubas picks.

You don't see them winning ever in the playoffs because they've never "Won a round". It's quite frankly a dumb assessment. The team is different and has core pieces now in their primes.

A lot of these knocks on Dubas aren't aging too well.

I just don't think I see a team with the defence and toughness to contend. The counterargument will be winning in the playoffs. Until then I rest my case. /shrug

 

[RogerR]

I just don't think I see a team with the defence and toughness to contend. The counterargument will be winning in the playoffs. Until then I rest my case. /shrug

I think all of that comes from them not "winning a round", which I think is a little much. 3 out of 4 losses were to the cup favs and many of their core players were far from in their prime. Babcock really hurt their chances as well with his coaching.

The most talented NHL team is the defending cup champs, They have the talent and their D is good this year. Not the same team at all. The past is the past with a different roster

 

[TopChedder]

Pretty much every GM can, if you pay a team enough to take on the contract

Example: Marleau + 1st round pick

Marleau was a nice Lou special. Thank God he is not making decisions any longer.

 

[Skolman]

Marleau was a nice Lou special. Thank God he is not making decisions any longer.

Give that Tavares contract time, it's already not a great deal and there's 5 years left on it.

 

[TopChedder]

You must be excluding an awful lot then. Holl pick-up and signing, Muzzin trade and signing, Hyman trade. Sandin trade down in the draft, Kapanen trade, Simmonds, Spezza, Thornton signings. Lehtonen and Mikeyev signings. HIs drafting since he took over looks fantastic without any high picks. The last 2 years at the world juniors the player named top D was Dubas picks.

You don't see them winning ever in the playoffs because they've never "Won a round". It's quite frankly a dumb assessment. The team is different and has core pieces now in their primes.

A lot of these knocks on Dubas aren't aging too well.

Just look at the draft lol

Robertson
Veeti Miettinen
Sandin
Nemila
Lily
Amirov
Mikhail Abramov
Rindell
Hirovan
Kokkonen
SDA
Kral
Koster
Ambruzze

And I could keep going lol he trades down well and finds talent everywhere. When hunter and lou were here they were TERRIBLE.

Dubas will end up being on of the top GM's and I cannot wait to bump.

These drafts don't even take into consideration how well he scouts undrafted players.

 

[TopChedder]

Give that Tavares contract time, it's already not a great deal and there's 5 years left on it.

Don't care honestly.

Every team was paying that during his free agency. He actually is fine.

 

[RogerR]

Give that Tavares contract time, it's already not a great deal and there's 5 years left on it.

4 years.

 

[RogerR]

Just look at the draft lol

Robertson
Veeti Miettinen
Sandin
Nemila
Lily
Amirov
Mikhail Abramov
Rindell
Hirovan
Kokkonen
SDA
Kral
Koster
Ambruzze

And I could keep going lol he trades down well and finds talent everywhere. When hunter and lou were here they were TERRIBLE.

Dubas will end up being on of the top GM's and I cannot wait to bump.

These drafts don't even take into consideration how well he scouts undrafted players.

And he's only 34, which is a big advantage unlike people who claimed he was too young.

 

[Skolman]

4 years.

Well, 4 after this season. Yes

 

[MattySnipes]

I mean, most players in general who approach UFA and get these type of questions about it have said the same things. I'm not sure how some take it as some sort of guarantee that they're staying.

Like I get fans being sad that he left; that's valid. But we're coming up on 3 years later, and for somebody to still be going around slandering his name and making false claims about him solely because they didn't like the outcome... that's going too far.

I'm surprised they still talk about him. You wouldn't think so after hearing their lame chants of "We Don't Need You"...."Barzy's Better"....and that lame fan made video where they're outside their dump of a barn.

 

[TopChedder]

And he's only 34, which is a big advantage unlike people who claimed he was too young.

Agreed.

No GM is perfect of course but he is a VERY bright hockey mind and will only grow.

 

[Pyrophorus]

To show that GMs change
I would vote Poile at this point.

Had a team, who was an SCF finalist, and now have sagged in the past 2 seasons.
Will be tied with Detroit, if they beat them tonight.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Pretty much every GM can, if you pay a team enough to take on the contract

Example: Marleau + 1st round pick

Difference is they don't have any negative value ones.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

This. He can move any contract. The idea Leafs are poster boys for "Cap hell" is so absurd and laughable when compared to all teams. The constant "4 players 40 million" was such a lazy narrative that gave you very little insight into the entire roster and overall cap situation Dubas has done a great job. Do not overpay support talent.

While I realize HF will put all kinds of asterisks (56 games, North division, blah blah blah), there's a real chance Dubas could have the team pace for best record in club history.
If he does, it would mean at all 3 levels he has been GM, his club would have set franchise records within 3 - 4 years of his arrival.

 

[RogerR]

While I realize HF will put all kinds of asterisks (56 games, North division, blah blah blah), there's a real chance Dubas could have the team pace for best record in club history.
If he does, it would mean at all 3 levels he has been GM, his club would have set franchise records within 3 - 4 years of his arrival.

There's a reason so many teams wanted him in 2014

 

[Pyrophorus]

While I realize HF will put all kinds of asterisks (56 games, North division, blah blah blah), there's a real chance Dubas could have the team pace for best record in club history.
If he does, it would mean at all 3 levels he has been GM, his club would have set franchise records within 3 - 4 years of his arrival.

The most talked about asterisks of all time-book it.