hockeylegend11
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I look at titles,you look at failures, it's as if you root for them to fail.Difference of 2 years.
And a streak.
I look at titles,you look at failures, it's as if you root for them to fail.Difference of 2 years.
And a streak.
I look at titles,you look at failures, it's as if you root for them to fail.
Now with junior hockey being "cyclical", three years building then go on a run then start the process all over again what would you call next year?
I look at titles,you look at failures, it's as if you root for them to fail.
Honestly, this is such a tiresome debate. Next year should be the year to make a run. You lose a few players, but you gain a few. Once you lose Angle, Douglas, Afanasyev, Corcoran, etc for GOOD, then the next cycle starts. You can agree. You can disagree. It doesn't matter to me. I was pointing out that replacing three (3) player does not constitute a rebuild as it happens often in junior hockey. If you wish to disagree, that's up to you. I don't really care anymore. I think we're on round 50 of this debate. What's the point?
I think the point is they haven't challenged for a Western Conf championship or OHL title in nearly 10 years.
Hard to sugar coat that.
Ill ask you the same question as HL and hope 1 will answer.
Who in the OHL has a longer streak of not winning a single playoff round?
Cfaub
My feeling is that if everyone returns with the exception of Rafkin this coming season, they will contend
All 4 teams that finished above Windsor in the standings will suffer significant losses,and let's say Windsor doesn't get Douglas, Corcoran and Afanaseyev back,the other 4 teams hopefully will suffer the same fate, expected returnees that dont,great for the players not for the teams.
If they dont return,so be it
I like what Windsor did in the draft today and look forward to more years when Windsor can finish in the top 3rd of the league as they did this past season, and keep adding to those national titles that no one can match in the last 10 years.
Yes I am going to bring up the past every time you bring up failures in the past, I would like to talk from this point on, but you dont stop,whether it's the coach,or 1st rounds,when you stop I will stop.
I'm looking now...
Sarnia has made 2nd round twice since 2003-04, last one being 2017-18.
Mississauga made finals in 2016-17, but otherwise out in first round since 2012-13
In terms of pure streak, Windsor is probably the top. In terms of overall futility, I'd take Windsor's record over Sarnia's any day.
A couple of those teams are still looking pretty good going into next year and with a team like Saginaw taking Fantilli, if he won't report there but will report elsewhere now or next year they just restocked their cupboard and still have a deeper roster than Windsor.
London has loads of kids in their system that will add to their stockpile of picks as well as still have a roster that will be better than Windsor.
Kitchener will likely take a step back.
Flint could go either way. They should take a step back but they're not in horrible shape.
Guelph is looking just as good as Windsor at this point.
Soo is bidding so they will be building to go all in. They need to do some work but they've pretty consistent the last five or six years now with last year being an exception.
Owen Sound is coming together. Will they catch up to Windsor? Remains to be seen.
Sarnia and Erie are the odd ones out. Erie has struggled through the last three years and likely going to continue to this year while Sarnia is a couple of years away.
Windsor, if everything goes perfect will have a solid roster to start with but lacks the assets to add in a meaningful way in a hosting year. I can see another fifth place finish coming simply because they won't have the ability to add, just like this year.
Just a heads up, in the last ten years Windsor has one Memorial Cup, 2016/17. To get more than one you need to go back eleven years and to get more than two you need to go back twelve years. 2011 - 2020 is ten years now, one in a decade and there's eight other teams that have as many as them in the last decade with no one getting one this year.
Cfaub
Because of no winner this year I didn't count this year re championships for Windsor or anybody else.
Assuming Windsor loses only Rafkin,I would match up Windsor lineup against anyone in the West
London loses Merkley, Phillip's,Regula,Foudy,Gruden,Wilm,
their o/a tender, and possibly McMichael,which would put them out of the mix.
Obviously losing Corcoran, Douglas and Afanaseyev changes my view completely.
Its a tough argument when the team hasn't won a single playoff rd in almost 10 years and the year they won the National title they were eliminated rd 1 ( something you extremely criticized London as a host pre tourney for losing in rd 2.)
Your posts are public, so not sure ya wanna refute esp since you hid under a rock for a month after they lost in Spits host year until the Spits starting winning on home ice in the Cup with the freebie invite. But of course the goalposts changed lol. Its all public what your thoughts were in both cases. But somehow a much different thought process. Hhhmmmmm?
Serious question I doubt you will answer. But if you are fair n balanced you will.....
Who in the OHL has gone longer without a playoff round win than Windsor?
Why do you always come to the defense of the most negative poster on this board.
Must admit people who mostly read this forum but rarely post ask me that all the time,why does that London poster stir up trouble.
I dont have an answer for that or the one that you asked me.
I will go with what OHLTG wrote,mainly because I could care less,people dont remember who comes in 2nd only who wins.
As for London in 2014,I did say they didnt have enough to win and they didnt do enough to give them the chance when they hosted,and I was proven right,correct me if I am wrong, they lost 4 straight in the tourney and were outscored 14-4 in the process.
Windsor won 4 straight and proved they belonged.
Honestly, this is such a tiresome debate. Next year should be the year to make a run. You lose a few players, but you gain a few. Once you lose Angle, Douglas, Afanasyev, Corcoran, etc for GOOD, then the next cycle starts. You can agree. You can disagree. It doesn't matter to me. I was pointing out that replacing three (3) player does not constitute a rebuild as it happens often in junior hockey. If you wish to disagree, that's up to you. I don't really care anymore. I think we're on round 50 of this debate. What's the point?
Cfaub
Because of no winner this year I didn't count this year re championships for Windsor or anybody else.
Assuming Windsor loses only Rafkin,I would match up Windsor lineup against anyone in the West
London loses Merkley, Phillip's,Regula,Foudy,Gruden,Wilm,
their o/a tender, and possibly McMichael,which would put them out of the mix.
Obviously losing Corcoran, Douglas and Afanaseyev changes my view completely.
Three OAs that graduated, two that would have been OAs and two imports from last year's roster. Do you believe a couple of rookies can fill those spots and this team not miss a beat?
Three OAs can be replaced by this year's draft, the other two that would have been OAs are replaced by FAs or past draftees, and the two imports are replaced via the Import Draft. Yes, I believe they can continue without missing a beat.
IF they have Douglas, Corcoran, Angle, and Afanasyev, this is the season to do something. That might mean Bowler spends a bit more to get what's necessary but that happens. If the majority, or all, don't return, then that's a different story.
Sorry, I don't believe it's as bad of a situation as people want to think it is. I know we could go around and around and around some more; that's borderline normal for here. After what we saw in the first half, I'm a firm believer that the talent is there. They just need the right systems and their own confidence back. That comes together and they currently have a roster that could surprise.
Three OAs can be replaced by this year's draft, the other two that would have been OAs are replaced by FAs or past draftees, and the two imports are replaced via the Import Draft. Yes, I believe they can continue without missing a beat.
IF they have Douglas, Corcoran, Angle, and Afanasyev, this is the season to do something. That might mean Bowler spends a bit more to get what's necessary but that happens. If the majority, or all, don't return, then that's a different story.
Sorry, I don't believe it's as bad of a situation as people want to think it is. I know we could go around and around and around some more; that's borderline normal for here. After what we saw in the first half, I'm a firm believer that the talent is there. They just need the right systems and their own confidence back. That comes together and they currently have a roster that could surprise.
Again... I don't believe this is as dire as some want to think. Disagree? Cool. It happens. This summer is going to be unlike anything we've seen so predicting who goes where or what happens... not worth it right now.
Having players rumoured to want out or "needs to get his act together", and actually replacing guys, are two very different things. Who's out and who's coming in? That's what determines a rebuild. Right now, we're not there.
Why do you always come to the defense of the most negative poster on this board.
Must admit people who mostly read this forum but rarely post ask me that all the time,why does that London poster stir up trouble.
I dont have an answer for that or the one that you asked me.
I will go with what OHLTG wrote,mainly because I could care less,people dont remember who comes in 2nd only who wins.
As for London in 2014,I did say they didnt have enough to win and they didnt do enough to give them the chance when they hosted,and I was proven right,correct me if I am wrong, they lost 4 straight in the tourney and were outscored 14-4 in the process.
Windsor won 4 straight and proved they belonged.
This is the biggest key to our success.Different coaching staff completely is a start.