Windsor Spitfires 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 5)
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Yes that will go over big,team says to vets such as Boka,sorry Luke 14 goals plus 14,you gotta play less,we are winning too much,Stevenson, sorry Thomas nice bounceback from last year +15,u gotta play less,we dont need the wins,winning doesn't matter, Cole Purboo,sorry Cole gotta give up some ice,we are changing things,ice time for the kids, winning doesn't matter,they will learn,and then when they become vets,not as much ice for them,I am sure Windsor fans will be in favor, doubt it.
It's a process not a right.
OHLTG
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If the vets were struggling, I can see the urge to get the youth some playing time. However, when vets are doing this well, the tune has to be changed a bit. You can't scream for vets to get better, then, when they do better, complain they're getting too much ice. Doesn't work like that, nor should it.
I think that's where the disconnect lies. People can list every prospect under the sun but fact remains there are more players in a draft that fail to report than actually do. Then even with the ones that do report they don't always produce. You have a team that left 7-8 cards on the table. There's absolutely nothing stopping Bowler or the Spits from signing a prospect right now. Considering how much room they have why aren't they signing anyone??
If you don't believe Playfair is returning why not just use a couple assets and upgrade on him? It isn't far fetched to think Playfair would be hard pressed to find consistent ice time as a forward on 14-16 other teams. Then you have Maggio where you spent 2 2nd rounders I can't imagine you couldn't have used those 2nd's and upgrade the team in some fashion. Considering what a couple players went for whether it was a 2 or 3 or a couple 3rds. There definitely was room for movement.
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Any and all prospects that might be a factor for this team are already signed and playing for someone else. You would have to have that team release the player so they can play for the Spits. The odds of that happening are extremely low - does happen like the Goalie that just came to the Soo but is definitely not a common occurrence. Any prospect that they are working with would likely come over in the off season like Egor did. Some kids will quit schools but there is ( if I'm not mistaken) a buyout required for that, can't see the Savages ponying up for that.
Mississauga signed Rylan Bowers a 12th rounder from 2018 draft who they signed on Jan 11th?? He played for Listowel this year and he's now playing for Mississauga. The only thing preventing the Spitfires from signing a guy right now is they either aren't interested in signing, aren't good enough or having a poor year. Like you said at the end and that's most important if the Savage's aren't interested in ponying up then something needs to be done.
Mississauga only has 23 players on their roster,a couple of injuries upfront, plus trading Varga prior to the injuries left them with 11 forwards major reason why they signed him,in Windsor's case unless a player can crack the top 11,I would not sign a player,and I dont see any Canadian forward in the system at this that I would have signed,with 13 forwards, plus Rupoli who can go upfront if neccessary dont see need to sign anybody.
Any American prospect 17 and under had to be signed by Dec 31 to play this year.
Like I said dont see anyone ready to beat out the 13 forwards already here.
Doesn't mean that there are some who will vie for a job next year.
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Yes, beat that the Savage's are cheap drum for a few days. At least it has teeth.
You had the correct theory that younger players should play. You just have the application of it all screwed up.
It doesn't mean they get top 6 minutes. Unless their talent dictates that with the elite talents. What playing the kids means is they get to see the ice, a few shifts a game & play in advantageous situations for them.
I'm no fan of the coaching staff but this one makes you look stupid.
So again, I'd suggest using the Savage's are cheap & personally I really like the Spits got lucky after every win. 25x lucky. Awesome. That one is golden.
Youngblood is right. It doesn’t have to be a complete role reversal. But giving the younger guys who will be here for a few more years more responsibility. A little PP and PK time. Play them at the end of periods, etc. These are the kids that will be your cornerstones in the next few years. Give them some experience in bigger situations once in a while.
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Exactly. Look at Johnston; he's been given a bigger role in the top six and he's run with it. We've gone from "oh, Johnston's getting ice?" to "Johnny looks great out there!" His confidence has skyrocketed and he's doing what he can to produce. This is going to be invaluable to him next season.
Agree on Johnston is developing nicely got his chance and has run with it,others have been given opps ie Maggio,McDonald and Zito,lines are what they re playing time,bottom lines things are working out 1st place in standings is proof positive.
Some interesting thoughts on the vets vs rookies.
For the most part the vets have earned their spots. Playfair is the one exception and playing the kids ahead of him from here on would really be the sensible thing.
If you go back to the start of the year before Playfair was dropped to the fourth line whatever combination of Zito/Johnston/Maggio/McDonald played they gave the most consistent effort, chipped in a few points and you could see all four showing their potential.
All were given chances on other lines, mainly with Foudy and Cuylle and while all kept up, contributed in many ways including on the scoresheet none were given more than a few games and some were splitting those games with each other. Those chances were under less than optimal conditions and they all did fine.
When they've struggled it's been with Playfair on the fourth line. For the most part they've proven to be better at contributing than him while all have played fewer games.
Plain and simple, Playfair out and the kids in will settle the vets vs rookies debate. Who is producing more? Who needs to start seeing, if only slightly expanded roles to provide more options going forward?
The rest of the vets can still play their roles, the team is playing for something but with Boka, Purboo gone and Playfair not likely back it's time to get the kids a bit more regular experience in different situations. Circumstances need to be taken into account but they still need to be developed as options now and main pieces going forward.
For the most part the vets have earned their spots. Playfair is the one exception and playing the kids ahead of him from here on would really be the sensible thing.
If you go back to the start of the year before Playfair was dropped to the fourth line whatever combination of Zito/Johnston/Maggio/McDonald played they gave the most consistent effort, chipped in a few points and you could see all four showing their potential.
All were given chances on other lines, mainly with Foudy and Cuylle and while all kept up, contributed in many ways including on the scoresheet none were given more than a few games and some were splitting those games with each other. Those chances were under less than optimal conditions and they all did fine.
When they've struggled it's been with Playfair on the fourth line. For the most part they've proven to be better at contributing than him while all have played fewer games.
Plain and simple, Playfair out and the kids in will settle the vets vs rookies debate. Who is producing more? Who needs to start seeing, if only slightly expanded roles to provide more options going forward?
The rest of the vets can still play their roles, the team is playing for something but with Boka, Purboo gone and Playfair not likely back it's time to get the kids a bit more regular experience in different situations. Circumstances need to be taken into account but they still need to be developed as options now and main pieces going forward.
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you do realize everyone who played with the foudy and Cuylle line struggled? Hard to play with a kid that nobody knows what he’s going to do next. He played with Angle and that didn’t workout for him. I think someone mentioned it before, hard to find players who can play with Foudy.
Back from warm florida... saw something posted on another teams forum so thought try it for fun here... make your predictions W or L for remaining spits games in available column to right...
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Sat, Jan 18 | ER | WSR | W | |||||||||
Sun, Jan 19 | SAG | WSR | W | |||||||||
Thu, Jan 23 | LDN | WSR | L | |||||||||
Sun, Jan 26 | WSR | SAR | W | |||||||||
Thu, Jan 30 | FLNT | WSR | L | |||||||||
Fri, Jan 31 | WSR | LDN | W | |||||||||
Sat, Feb 1 | WSR | OS | W | |||||||||
Thu, Feb 6 | HAM | WSR | L | |||||||||
Fri, Feb 7 | WSR | SAR | W | |||||||||
Sat, Feb 8 | SAR | WSR | W | |||||||||
Thu, Feb 13 | WSR | PBO | W | |||||||||
Fri, Feb 14 | WSR | KGN | W | |||||||||
Sun, Feb 16 | WSR | OTT | L | |||||||||
Tue, Feb 18 | SAR | WSR | W | |||||||||
Thu, Feb 20 | LDN | WSR | L | |||||||||
Sat, Feb 22 | WSR | BAR | W | |||||||||
Sun, Feb 23 | WSR | OSH | L | |||||||||
Thu, Feb 27 | SOO | WSR | W | |||||||||
Sat, Feb 29 | GUE | WSR | L | |||||||||
Sun, Mar 1 | KGN | WSR | W | |||||||||
Thu, Mar 5 | OS | WSR | W | |||||||||
Sat, Mar 7 | WSR | FLNT | L | |||||||||
Sun, Mar 8 | KIT | WSR | W | |||||||||
Thu, Mar 12 | SAG | WSR | L | |||||||||
Fri, Mar 13 | WSR | GUE | W | |||||||||
Sat, Mar 14 | WSR | OS | W | |||||||||
Thu, Mar 19 | GUE | WSR | L | |||||||||
Sat, Mar 21 | WSR | SAG | L | |||||||||
Sun, Mar 22 | WSR | SOO | W |
I just saw that London is planning to retire Patrick Kane's jersey. Don't get me wrong... Kane had a great season when he played for the Knights but that was it... he played only one season. Is that enough to warrant retiring someone's number? Kane had 145 points in the OHL. As a comparison, Luke Boka has played 5 years in Windsor, has been the captain for two, currently has 130 points and could possibly pass Kane by the end of the season. Should we retire his jersey as well.... no, I'm not suggesting that Boka is deserving of having his number retired... I'm just comparing what the two players have done in their OHL careers. I personally don't think that Kane did enough with the London Knights in the OHL to warrant having his number retired.
I do realize no one has really done exceptionally well as a line with Cuylle and Foudy. That wasn't the point.
The point was the kids have done as well as anyone else, the kids have been shuffled around while being given little chance to succeed higher up the roster, the kids have done fine as a unit without the vets yet the kids still get rotated out so Playfair can stay in every game while doing very little as a vet to help the development of the kids.
It wasn't a knock on the kids it was about one vet who they are all outplaying getting the minutes ahead of them while the limited opportunities they've been given to move up have been very limited and less than optimal.
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M2M, I don't see Windsor winning in OS but losing at home to Hamilton. Also don't see beating London on the road, but losing to them at home. Switch those around, sure.
I don't like retiring numbers in the first place, taking the jersey out of circulation has never made much sense overall. I prefer the alternative of actually honoring the jersey. That player can still get their night of the jersey being honored but future players still get the ppportunity of wearing that jersey.
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