Buffalo Bills Post-Draft Discussion

[Rowley Birkin]

Washington has 36 and 40. I wonder if 33+60+Day 3 ammo can get us there.

Not close value wise.

I think you would have to trade them a '25 R2 - which i wouldn't necessarily be against doing.

 

[Digable5]

He did make a good point though - if the Bills were targeting a WR I doubt that they trade down with two different teams targeting a WR, and then trading down behind a third team that also took a WR.

It seems much more likely now that they grab a guy like Dejean or perhaps one of the IOL prospects.

That’s not necessarily true. It’s more likely they didn’t value anyone as a first round pick and decided to get value for the pick and pick someone closer to where they valued them. It’s quite smart IMO.

Now, that’s not to say they won’t take a different position and what you say is true, but I think it’s equally as likely they just didn’t value anyone as a first round talent.

 

[HaNotsri]

Powers-Johnson would mean that you could write:
Powers-Johnson

Without making someone mad.

 

[enthusiast]

A minor accrual of draft capital value is fine but the actual execution is what really matters, of course. Given their recent track record they should really just trade every d2 pick for the entirety of the later rounds

 

[Rowley Birkin]

That’s not necessarily true. It’s more likely they didn’t value anyone as a first round pick and decided to get value for the pick and pick someone closer to where they valued them. It’s quite smart IMO.

Now, that’s not to say they won’t take a different position and what you say is true, but I think it’s equally as likely they just didn’t value anyone as a first round talent.

No team has 33 or even 28 R1 grades on players.

If they had R2 grades on Worthy or Legette but they were towards the top of the board - he'd have selected them.

 

[Willgamesh]

Hoping for Cooper and a trade up for WR.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

Powers-Johnson would mean that you could write:
Powers-Johnson

Without making someone mad.

We probably will have ample of those with our future Owen Power - Ryan Johnson Defensemen pairing, but with the frequent typo of Owen Power's last name

 

[brian_griffin]

As long as Cousin's contract is easy to get out of towards the backend of it, I think what they did was smart and good long term planning.

There's an out after the 3rd year before he turns 39yo. Spotrac link below.

Paying an old man too much money.

I get drafting Penix was good long-term planning, but investing so much in Cousins on a middling Falcons team? I guess the thought is it's a weak division / weak conference. Nothing against Cousins, but I don't get the value. At all.

As long as Cousin's contract is easy to get out of towards the backend of it, I think what they did was smart and good long term planning.

There's an out after the 3rd year before he turns 39yo. Spotrac link below.

Paying an old man too much money.

I get drafting Penix was good long-term planning, but investing so much in Cousins on a middling Falcons team? I guess the thought is it's a weak division / weak conference.

 

[stokes84]

Given that Wilson is very slot heavy i don't think he'd be a fit though.

Burton will be a steal for someone. But do you see them looking past the off field stuff? That's the reason why I'm assuming both he & Tevondre Sweat won't even be considered.

Malik Nabers was a heavy slot guy. That’s doesn’t mean much. He can play all over the field. I watched every almost every snap the kid ever played in college, he’s a great player.

The Burton issue was that he shoved a fan after they lost a close game and the fans rushed the field. I watched the incident. It was totally overblown. This wasn’t a Lagarrette Blount situation. I agree that Sweat shouldn’t even be on the board. That guy is an idiot.

 

[stokes84]

Not close value wise.

I think you would have to trade them a '25 R2 - which i wouldn't necessarily be against doing.

Any team moving up is going to be targeting Dejean I think. Do the skins need a db?

 

[buffa dud]

The dream scenario would be Cooper Dejean, JPJ and Ladd McConkey, for me. We'd need two more high second round picks to make that happen, though, and I don't think Beane's got that kind of ammunition available.

 

[Husko]

Either that - or they have a guy higher on their board than they suspect other teams do.

Legette to Carolina was almost an accepted fact. KC drafting Worthy was hardly a surprise either. The only guy who was, is Pearsall - and i strongly doubt he was that high on the Bills' board given the style / type of player he is.


Given that Wilson is very slot heavy i don't think he'd be a fit though.

Burton will be a steal for someone. But do you see them looking past the off field stuff? That's the reason why I'm assuming both he & Tevondre Sweat won't even be considered.

And maybe Powers-Johnson too if Brugler is right he fell because of character concerns. I wonder what they are

 

[misterchainsaw]

Not close value wise.

I think you would have to trade them a '25 R2 - which i wouldn't necessarily be against doing.

By the Rich Hill chart 33+60+our 4 5th rounders is exactly equal to 36+40.

I'm not necessarily advocating for this, but enough day 3 ammo absolutely could get us there value wise, especially if a team like the Commanders is looking for a lot of picks.

 

[TehDoak]

I was responding to Doak saying we "got two more picks". As in going from 10 picks to 12. Which did not happen.

Right, apologies, it was early. We got another day 2 pick and moved into better position for day 3. We got extra value for taking what will be the same player.

 

[Jim Bob]

Guys that seem to fit at #33OA that the Bills had Top 30 visits with:

• Cooper Dejean
• Keon Coleman
• They also reportedly had multiple meetings with McConkey, Newton, and Fiske

Worth noting that they met with a ton of WRs that seem to fit the #60OA range (Franklin, McMillan, Walker). Maybe Coleman fits in this range too, not sure because his projection is all over the place.

Also, I'll throw out a darkhorse candidate for them today:

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There's quite a bit of wrestling in Frazier's background

There has been Frazier-Bills smoke for a while. I just wonder about the fit as he is more of a C-only guy as opposed to JPJ that played C and G at Oregon.

The Bills did a private workout with Franklin. It will not shock me if he is "their guy."

I also could see McD wanting Newton or DeJean, as well. There are a ton of ways they can go today.

This one worked out quite well to me.

My initial thought process was that a trade back made the most sense, then I got hypnotized by the hype train. But there are still about 10 or 11 WRs available that are really good players. If they can move around the board and get three good players, I’ll be happy. There are two guys that are being slept on hard, and that’s Roman’s Wilson and Jermaine Burton. If you can get either of those guys in the late 2nd, it’s a home run.

It wouldn't shock me if Burton's character questions had him off of the Bills board.

 

[Chaos2k7]

I'm done.

I'll go wherever Allen ends up in two years

Good lord, maybe it's time to take a break from sports in general?

Wild overreactions

 

[Fezzy126]

There has been Frazier-Bills smoke for a while. I just wonder about the fit as he is more of a C-only guy as opposed to JPJ that played C and G at Oregon.

The Bills did a private workout with Franklin. It will not shock me if he is "their guy."

I also could see McD wanting Newton or DeJean, as well. There are a ton of ways they can go today.

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This one worked out quite well to me.


It wouldn't shock me if Burton's character questions had him off of the Bills board.

If the Bills draft Benson in the 2nd and before a WR there will be a full on meltdown on social media and WGR

 

[Jim Bob]

As long as Cousin's contract is easy to get out of towards the backend of it, I think what they did was smart and good long term planning.

If they were thinking about drafting a QB, then I don't see why they sign Cousins to a 4 yr big money contract.

You sign Cousins if you want to win in the short term and not to just be a placeholder for a year to bridge to a young QB.

Add in that Odunze was there at 8...

If the Bills draft Benson in the 2nd and before a WR there will be a full on meltdown on social media and WGR

 

[Fezzy126]

That’s not necessarily true. It’s more likely they didn’t value anyone as a first round pick and decided to get value for the pick and pick someone closer to where they valued them. It’s quite smart IMO.

Now, that’s not to say they won’t take a different position and what you say is true, but I think it’s equally as likely they just didn’t value anyone as a first round talent.

You're saying they have a WR that they value high enough on their board to take at 33OA, but felt comfortable enough to trade back from 28OA behind 3 WR-needy team to grab him? Sorry, but I'm not getting that logic.

 

[Husko]

As long as Cousin's contract is easy to get out of towards the backend of it, I think what they did was smart and good long term planning.

They can't get out of it until at least year, and even then it's with a 25 million dead cap hit. Even if all goes well with Penix's development, this completely kills the rookie QB contract advantage.

Also, not for nothing, Penix is already 24 years old. He'll be 26-28 when he starts getting first team reps I guess?

 

[tsujimoto74]

They can't get out of it until at least year, and even then it's with a 25 million dead cap hit. Even if all goes well with Penix's development, this completely kills the rookie QB contract advantage.

Also, not for nothing, Penix is already 24 years old. He'll be 26-28 when he starts getting first team reps I guess?

Truly a baffling pick for them.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Good lord, maybe it's time to take a break from sports in general?

Wild overreactions

Maybe it’s time for a poster who keeps spamming this thread about him being done to be threadbanned. He apparently needs some help staying true to his convictions.

 

[truthbluth]

You're saying they have a WR that they value high enough on their board to take at 33OA, but felt comfortable enough to trade back from 28OA behind 3 WR-needy team to grab him? Sorry, but I'm not getting that logic.

Yeah, seems pretty telegraphed they’re not taking a WR here.

Edit: And this is fine. There are going to be day one contributors at that position into day 3. It’s been said many times, the strengths of this WR class were at the very top, and with the absurd depth.

I’m ok with any position of need right here. I’m even ok with perceived reaches like Maason Smith, or Cole Bishop. As long as they come away from day 2 with at least one WR. There are going to be some good ones available with these next three picks.

 

[missingmika]

Yeah, seems pretty telegraphed they’re not taking a WR here.

plus Beane told everyone before the draft they’re taking a WR with every pick probably should have been a clue we won’t go WR.

 

[Husko]

This is why I'm not at all plussed about the trade-back from a WR perspective.