William Nylander Part XIV

[56 Years No Cup]

TSN Hockey Insiders Bob McKenzie, Pierre LeBrun and Darren Dreger have the latest on the status of William Nylander's ongoing contract negotiations with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

https://www.tsn.ca/video/insider-trading-habs-open-to-trading-a-forward~1511470

It ain't Dubas or Gross so it didn't happen. Fake news.

 

[nsleaf]

If Nylander signs, do fans cheer or boo his return?

He's not doing himself any favors at the moment, but once/if he don's a Leafs jersey for real, I'm a fan.

 

[I am Canadian]

TSN Hockey Insiders Bob McKenzie, Pierre LeBrun and Darren Dreger have the latest on the status of William Nylander's ongoing contract negotiations with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

https://www.tsn.ca/video/insider-trading-habs-open-to-trading-a-forward~1511470

These guys straight talking out of their ass; this is just their speculation as always.

 

[Pookie]

HUH? What exactly are you getting at? Most reasonable posters wouldn't mind signing him for fair market value according to his comparables, which is anywhere from 6- 6.75 mm based on length of deal. What he feels he can contribute has nothing to do with it.

So you.... and these all-knowing posters... can judge a player’s future potential and establish his comparables, eh?

Pretty amazing.

Aside from that, do you even know... I mean KNOW... what the Leafs have offered?

 

[Leafsman]

They need to find some way of assuring him he will not be traded without giving him a NTC

 

[Menzinger]

They need to find some way of assuring him he will not be traded without giving him a NTC

There are some ways I think they could structure the contract to make him less desirable as a trade asset, which may alleviate some of his fears. For example giving him the bulk of his contract money in signing bonuses would let make him less desirable to teams with internal budgets.

 

[Advanced stats]

Are you speaking out of your *** again Hamilton?

So annoying.

He thinks he's an insider pro or something

 

[Pookie]

There's no point to this for him anymore, a few more days and he's down half a million. I'd gladly take that half million.

It will come back to him as a buyout proof signing bonus.

Nothing to see there.

 

[Polaris1010]

With every passing day, the chances of him signing decreases compared to him being traded which continue to increase.

Hard to say what his trade value will be now. A disgruntled young prima dona type, me first kind of player.

Evander Kane is a player that comes to mind who does not receive full value for his services on the trade market because of a negative reputation.

Nylander has arrived in that sense.

 

[Kiwi]

That's why I think we're in uncharted territory now. I don't see the Leafs offering him the money he wants, don't see another team offer sheeting him, and don't see him playing overseas until he's 27.

Now what?

Bridge or he folds are the only realistic things I can think of, I seriously doubt we move him before we get him under contract

Dubas can't be seem to give in with Marner and Matthews up next year

 

[freshwind]

There are some ways I think they could structure the contract to make him less desirable as a trade asset, which may alleviate some of his fears. For example giving him the bulk of his contract money in signing bonuses would let make him less desirable to teams with internal budgets.

8 years ..3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ..... aav = 6.5 .......... very easy to make it difficult for other teams to find a contract attractive ... ... backloading will do it .. not sure if a structure like this is legal ? don't really feel like reading the cba ...

 

[Polaris1010]

Dubas can't be seem to give in with Marner and Matthews up next year

Do not believe that is the issue.

Matthews is going to be 11+
Marner is about 8-9

Nylander is 6.5 at most. That is fair.

It's really take it or leave it at this stage between the Leafs and Nylander.

 

[Chungo2]

If Nylander were to sign at 6.7 million:
6.7 million / 82 = $81,000

He has lost $405,000.00

That's if contracts go by the game.

 

[MapleLeafs77]

Do not believe that is the issue.

Matthews is going to be 11+
Marner is about 8-9

Nylander is 6.5 at most. That is fair.

It's really take it or leave it at this stage between the Leafs and Nylander.

I personally dont think that marner is worth 2.5 million dollars more. At most 1 million.

 

[Kiwi]

Do not believe that is the issue.

Matthews is going to be 11+
Marner is about 8-9

Nylander is 6.5 at most. That is fair.

It's really take it or leave it at this stage between the Leafs and Nylander.

Marner is an RFA winger without arb rights, in no way should we be giving into him either, just like Nylander

 

[Budz22]

I’m still fathomed of how some of you think he’s turned on his team, he will be booed, he’s a baby, some me first player. How do you know what the contract negotiations are like? How do you know he wants $8 mill? Please point me to where he or Dubas have laid out the difference?

 

[56 Years No Cup]

So you.... and these all-knowing posters... can judge a player’s future potential and establish his comparables, eh?

Pretty amazing.

Aside from that, do you even know... I mean KNOW... what the Leafs have offered?

Stop moving the goalposts. You're no good at it.

Again, what Willie FEELS he's worth or FEELS he will contribute have no bearing on his market value. The rest of what I typed seems to be the consensus of most on this board with information based on research done for his comparables.

You've seen that info over and over. Now you're just trolling.

 

[MyBudJT]

I personally dont think that marner is worth 2.5 million dollars more. At most 1 million.

Marner is probably going to get 90 points this season... Nylander had 61....

 

[Polaris1010]

Marner is an RFA winger without arb rights, in no way should we be giving into him either, just like Nylander

This is not about giving in, this is about fair value.

Was Bozak worth 5 million a year? Like never. Not in Toronto, not in St.Louis.

Nylander cannot be paid like Matthews or Marner. The value is not there.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

The new Dreger? Can you pretend you know the AAV Nylander wants as well?

Sources are telling me he’s moved his ask down to 7.8 Million Leafs are staying firm at 5

 

[Kiwi]

This is not about giving in, this is about fair value.

Was Bozak worth 5 million a year? Like never. Not in Toronto, not in St.Louis.

Nylander cannot be paid like Matthews or Marner. The value is not there.

Bozak was a UFA
Marner will be an RFA without arb rights

We're going to be hard against the cap so Marner is going to have to be squeezed for every cent we can shave off his AAV, we have the power in the negotiations so we need to use it

 

[MapleLeafs77]

Marner is probably going to get 90 points this season... Nylander had 61....

You think Nylander would get 60 points with Matthews this year?

 

[MyBudJT]

You think Nylander would get 60 points with Matthews this year?

I didn't say that, but we're comparing contract demands after their ELC seasons....

 

[MapleLeafs77]

I didn't say that, but we're comparing contract demands after their ELC seasons....

Sure but I would then argue who they are playing with. Especially since Matthews was hurt mostly last year and wasnt the same. Tavares is a legit superstar.

I agree that Marner is better and will probably get more points.....but Nylander would also light it up this year with Matthews.

I would even argue that I think Matthews and Nylander would be better than Marner and Tavares.

 

[Nithoniniel]

I didn't say that, but we're comparing contract demands after their ELC seasons....

Yeah definitely. Very different contract situations.

Although, it's worth noting that contracts are based on what players can make a case, not what they are actually worth. That's not always the same thing.