Duchene2MacKinnon
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Who said its 100% agreeable?
It's still a good barometer for this type of discussion. If they think Pedri is very valuable, maybe he's very valuable. It's objective, not subjective. I'm sure you understand that difference.
Is it made by sporting directors and agents? No, its made by randoms and its their opinion so yes its subjective. How else do you have such crazy valuations that spike after a month or two once the players gets exposure. Most of SA prospects are little known.
But you entirely miss the point.
Paredes is 26 years old. He's in his prime. No one argued the US National Team is better than the Argentine National Team right now. That argument has never been put forward. The idea is that the USA might have a better crop of younger players, which is often predictive of future success.
I cited him for a reason. I dont think he’s a good player and he’s part of the “ weaker” Argentina crop yet he’d be one of your best players of all time. That’s not to say anything about Icardi or Dybala who would be head and shoulders above any American player.
First of all, why don't you explain how they aren't on the decline? I welcome all information you could provide me with. You know Argentina's team better than I do. I'm open to changing my mind. I always am when I come to this website.
They’re producing players all over the pitch and not just winged forwards like they have been 5-10 seasons ago.
As to my opinion that Argentina's on the decline, I think the easiest way to get an idea of future success is to look at the crop of younger players. Obviously there's no Messi, and Argentina will suffer because of it. Argentina will have to recalibrate their team. It's been built around one player for 10-15 years. Once they do recalibrate how they play, I think the quality in young players is simply a little lower than they've had at their best. When I look at the historically elite countries, I think Argentina's crop of younger players is behind that of France, England, Netherlands, Brazil, to name a few.
That one player is the best of all time. So where would Kun,Masch, ADM or Higuain rank among American players?
I dont see its far off Brazil. Don’t know much about Netherlands but if one is better than the other its reasonably close. The other two are going through a golden generation. Hats off to them doesnt mean they will win anything going forward.
And if I was to analyze their crop of younger players compared to the other historically elite nations, I think they grade out towards the bottom of the list. Even a country like Spain that I think is a little weak compared to some prior generations has players such as Ansu Fati, Oyarzabal, Rodri, Eric Garcia, Unai Simon, Ferran Torres, Olmo, Pedri, Pau Torres. Maybe it's weaker than the Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Ramos generation, but it's still a crop of players that is going to be regulars for some of the top teams in the world. The same can be said with Germany. Maybe this isn't their vintage 2014 World Cup crop, but I think its quite clear that players such as Werner, Havertz, Moukoko, Wirtz, Neuhaus, Musiala, Sane are going to play for top teams in the world regularly.
Looking at Argentina's crop, outside of Lautaro, Romero, Lisandro Martinez, I'm not sure which players they have that are considered by most to be in that same category of player. I'm sure you will list off a bunch of players that you think can, but I have nothing against Argentina or any reason to rate their players lower than I should. I simply think the wider perception is that their up and coming crop is weaker.
Perez has the most potential of all the cbs. Plenty of other players to name.
Name your parameters.
Potential and luckily of reaching that.
I will deal with it. I'm not really all that bothered. I try to be as respectful as possible in all discussions on this website. I'd hope that others would do the same, and I wouldn't have someone try to group me into a group of people they don't view as holding serious opinions worthy of respect, but I guess I now know that this discussion prompts you to attack me instead of my argument.
Sure buddy, everyone is wrong but you