Confirmed with Link: Wheeler's extension: 5 years, $8.25M AAV

[Whileee]

again..the overpayment of wheeler is already resolved in the underpayment of scheifele. It's a wash.

The cap structure is not botched. It is no different then any other contending teams.

Yes it would have been nicer to be taking advantage of Scheifele's underpayment but it's not really an issue.

Could it have been better? Yes. But could it have been better while icing a team as good on paper for the next 2 years? I'm not convinced.

it is very manageable to resign everyone. You need only get out of perrault and kulikovs deals to do it. Also (and this is important for our gm): stop giving 3rd pairing dmen 4 mil a year.

You are so concerned about what might happen in two years. Buff could retire. Wheeler could retire. Scheiefele could grow a mustache and demand a trade to the maple leafs.

Yup...

Jets can have Scheifele, Ehlers, Wheeler and Morrissey for the same cost as Benn, Seguin and Radulov.

Agree about Kulikov... not a good deal, but at least it was only 3 years and they should be able to either move out his contract or buy him out for next season.

 

[AWSAA]

Agree about Kulikov... not a good deal, but at least it was only 3 years and they should be able to either move out his contract or buy him out for next season.

Why was he given 3 years in the first place? What leverage did he have coming off a major injury that summer? After Clitsome's back injury, you'd think Chevy would've been more wary.

 

[Tommigun]

I can’t get over how much term this contract carries. Pacioretty just gave a “hometown” discount to Vegas with signing for 4 years only. Thornton gracefully signs one year deals. Still Wheeler felt the need to squeeze the maximum out of his contract, largely nullifying Scheifele’s sacrifice.

 

[Whileee]

Why was he given 3 years in the first place? What leverage did he have coming off a major injury that summer? After Clitsome's back injury, you'd think Chevy would've been more wary.

He probably needed to give him 3 years to outbid another team or two...

I thought Kulikov was having a pretty good season, particularly in his own zone (at least before injuries).

 

[Duke749]

I can’t get over how much term this contract carries. Pacioretty just gave a “hometown” discount to Vegas with signing for 4 years only. Thornton gracefully signs one year deals. Still Wheeler felt the need to squeeze the maximum out of his contract, largely nullifying Scheifele’s sacrifice.

Lol

 

[Whileee]

I can’t get over how much term this contract carries. Pacioretty just gave a “hometown” discount to Vegas with signing for 4 years only. Thornton gracefully signs one year deals. Still Wheeler felt the need to squeeze the maximum out of his contract, largely nullifying Scheifele’s sacrifice.

I will agree that there is no discount in the deal with Wheeler. Jets are paying very close to full value, in my view. Earlier I speculated it would take $40+ million in total value to sign him. I still think it might have been better to spread it out over 6-7 years, but it will all depend on how the cap grows in the coming seasons.

 

[Tommigun]

Lol

What’s funny or wrong about what I said?

 

[Eyeseeing]

I can’t get over how much term this contract carries. Pacioretty just gave a “hometown” discount to Vegas with signing for 4 years only. Thornton gracefully signs one year deals. Still Wheeler felt the need to squeeze the maximum out of his contract, largely nullifying Scheifele’s sacrifice.

So..,
Why wouldn’t he squeeze every dime he could.
You wouldn’t?

 

[Tommigun]

So..,
Why wouldn’t he squeeze every dime he could.
You wouldn’t?

Definitely not. I’m a team player. The captain is just hurting his own and his teammates’ chances for a cup just to get some hundred k dollars more. That sets a bad precedent. I don’t think Blake “2nd assists galore” Wheeler would have gotten more even as a UFA.

As an entrepreneur I usually opt for low a wage for myself to give us the maximum chance to succeed (and sell big). Wheeler’s price should have been a Stanley Cup and not some $$$ more.

 

[Bigfish]

I don't understand the rush to sign Wheeler. I'm not saying they shouldn't have re-signed Wheeler but why now? Why not get Morrissey, Laine and Connor signed to long term contracts and then sign Wheeler with whatever is left. Maybe they should have used that money to over pay Trouba. I am very concerned about our defense. I have some hope for Niku and Samberg but after that it doesn't look that promising. We need defense before we need a soon to be a 2RW.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Definitely not. I’m a team player. The captain is just hurting his own and his teammates’ chances for a cup just to get some hundred k dollars more. That sets a bad precedent. I don’t think Blake “2nd assists galore” Wheeler would have gotten more even as a UFA.

As an entrepreneur I usually opt for low a wage for myself to give us the maximum chance to succeed (and sell big). Wheeler’s price should have been a Stanley Cup and not some $$$ more.

You’re a better man than I.
At his age and last big kick at the cat I’d go for the max.
Life after hockey regardless is a big adjustment no matter how much you may have saved.
The ATM is very good during playing years and no so much after.
Most human’s * would have a hard adjustment in the stark difference in cash flow after the playing days come to an end.
* Spock that’s logical correct?

 

[Spock]

You’re a better man than I.
At his age and last big kick at the cat I’d go for the max.
Life after hockey regardless is a big adjustment no matter how much you may have saved.
The ATM is very good during playing years and no so much after.
Most human’s * would have a hard adjustment in the stark difference in cash flow after the playing days come to an end.
* Spock that’s logical correct?

It depends on how disciplined that human is. I have heard numerous phrases on this topic, along the lines of "If you make more, you spend more."

As far as the captain hurting his team by accepting a lucrative deal, It's not his job to make the money work for the Jets; however it is his job to make the money work for his family now and later.

 

[Eyeseeing]

It depends on how disciplined that human is. I have heard numerous phrases on this topic, along the lines of "If you make more, you spend more."

As far as the captain hurting his team by accepting a lucrative deal, It's not his job to make the money work for the Jets; however it is his job to make the money work for his family now and later.

I am not a proponent of ridiculous sports salaries but I’m not jealous either and I know darn well I’d try to earn as much as possible as would most people.
Hats off to those who wouldn’t .

 

[AWSAA]

Scary thing is.... what the hell was Blake asking for if they end up settling on this number?
It would be almost too predictable if he gets hurt this year.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

Definitely not. I’m a team player. The captain is just hurting his own and his teammates’ chances for a cup just to get some hundred k dollars more. That sets a bad precedent. I don’t think Blake “2nd assists galore” Wheeler would have gotten more even as a UFA.

As an entrepreneur I usually opt for low a wage for myself to give us the maximum chance to succeed (and sell big). Wheeler’s price should have been a Stanley Cup and not some $$$ more.

As an entrepreneur, you are a UFA from day one and you have total control of your ability to "sell big". If you hire or market poorly, that's on you.

Players are controlled by a cba, that in many cases, they never truly had a say in. That's anybody that has come into the league in the last eight years.

The window for an NHL player is small and they don't control, who the teams sign, i.e. Stuart, Pav, Mason, or Kulikov. They surely don't have a say in putting team in bad markets with bad owners, i.e. Phoenix, Florida, Carolina, or Ottawa. All these things reduce the pool of fund s that available to the players.

So comparing our lives and situations to their's is apples and oranges.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I think Wheeler his contract was maybe 1 million/yeAr overpayment. Who cares!

If Chevy squeezes everyone, no one will want to deal with him anymore.

 

[Ducky10]

Players fight for when they can become FA's, why would they leave money on the table once they got there? It's the most important factor for their earning potential.

NHL teams aren't charity cases.

 

[Flair Hay]

Why was he given 3 years in the first place? What leverage did he have coming off a major injury that summer? After Clitsome's back injury, you'd think Chevy would've been more wary.

I thought he was pretty steady for us when he did play. And he still could be we aren't sure yet. Hopefully not the same fate as Clitsome

 

[Tommigun]

As an entrepreneur, you are a UFA from day one and you have total control of your ability to "sell big". If you hire or market poorly, that's on you.

Players are controlled by a cba, that in many cases, they never truly had a say in. That's anybody that has come into the league in the last eight years.

The window for an NHL player is small and they don't control, who the teams sign, i.e. Stuart, Pav, Mason, or Kulikov. They surely don't have a say in putting team in bad markets with bad owners, i.e. Phoenix, Florida, Carolina, or Ottawa. All these things reduce the pool of fund s that available to the players.

So comparing our lives and situations to their's is apples and oranges.

I hear you, and good analogies there! However, even though the earning window is limited for NHLers the amount of money they make is so humongous that it really doesn’t matter much. Let’s say you have 25M in the bank and no SC vs 22M and a SC, what do the extra millions do at that point? It’s diminishing returns.

 

[Grind]

I can’t get over how much term this contract carries. Pacioretty just gave a “hometown” discount to Vegas with signing for 4 years only. Thornton gracefully signs one year deals. Still Wheeler felt the need to squeeze the maximum out of his contract, largely nullifying Scheifele’s sacrifice.

pretty sure thornton didn't start signing 1 year deals when he was 31

 

[Whileee]

pretty sure thornton didn't start signing 1 year deals when he was 31

Age 29 --- 3 years x 7.2 million
Age 32 --- 3 years x 7 million
Age 35 --- 3 years x 6.75 million
Age 38 --- 1 year x 8 million
Age 39 --- 1 year x 5 million

 

[Duke749]

Someone’s making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Grind]

Age 29 --- 3 years x 7.2 million
Age 32 --- 3 years x 7 million
Age 35 --- 3 years x 6.75 million
Age 38 --- 1 year x 8 million
Age 39 --- 1 year x 5 million

thank you!

so lets put that in prespective

Thorton
33,34 at 7 mil - When signed this deal was 11.78% of the cap
35 36 37 at 6.75 mil - When signed this deal was 9.78% of the cap
if you took the average $ value of all five years at the time the first deal was signed it was: 11.57% of the cap.
His deals over those 5 years averaged 10.21% of the available cap.

Wheeler
33, 34, 35, 36, 37, at 8.5, is 10.69% of the current cap.

it doesn't take much math to realize the cap only has to increase marginally to make these two situations look nearly identical (aside from Thorton arguably being a better player)

 

[Whileee]

thank you!

so lets put that in prespective

Thorton
33,34 at 7 mil - When signed this deal was 11.78% of the cap
35 36 37 at 6.75 mil - When signed this deal was 9.78% of the cap
if you took the average $ value of all five years at the time the first deal was signed it was: 11.57% of the cap.
His deals over those 5 years averaged 10.21% of the available cap.

Wheeler
33, 34, 35, 36, 37, at 8.5, is 10.69% of the current cap.

it doesn't take much math to realize the cap only has to increase marginally to make these two situations look nearly identical (aside from Thorton arguably being a better player)

The % of cap for Wheeler will go down over the life of the deal as the cap rises.

 

[Trinity]

Why was he given 3 years in the first place? What leverage did he have coming off a major injury that summer? After Clitsome's back injury, you'd think Chevy would've been more wary.

It's called the Winnipeg tax. if we were in LA it would have been a 2 year deal.