What are the looming issues for Dubas that you believe are key?

[Cleetus]

should the leafs move Marner good read...
Should the Toronto Maple Leafs Trade Mitch Marner?

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

He's our Kessel!

Mostly ozone time and pp. No end-game time or pk.

Great 5v5 possession and entries and scoring metrics. Still wish they'd go back to Am-willy-hyman line

 

[PromisedLand]

should the leafs move Marner good read...
Should the Toronto Maple Leafs Trade Mitch Marner?

Love Marner but one of the big 4 has to go to balance out the team and also re-sign Rielly.

Cap isn't gonna go anywhere anytime soon;

Marner or Tavares out makes sense but Nylander has more value because of his AAV. If we don't round up the team we are going to be just be that team that makes playoffs and may be win a round or so but never move beyond that because the team is not built for playoff hockey

 

[Cleetus]

Love Marner but one of the big 4 has to go to balance out the team and also re-sign Rielly.

Cap isn't gonna go anywhere anytime soon;

Marner or Tavares out makes sense but Nylander has more value because of his AAV. If we don't round up the team we are going to be just be that team that makes playoffs and may be win a round or so but never move beyond that because the team is not built for playoff hockey

I see your point, but if they do trade him the regret will be real....

 

[LeafsNation75]

I see your point, but if they do trade him the regret will be real....

I think they will regret trading either Marner or Nylander.

I know Marner might be the more popular player to trade because of his contract, but when he's on his game we have seen him put up 94 points.

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

I'd choose willy of those 3 based off skillset..

And what you'd lose on ice.

Willy is a 5v5 offensive monster but up to this point never sees end-game time to protect leads, doesn't pk and hasn't fully committed to the def side of the game.

All You need to replace Willy ice-time is 18 minutes of ozone time no other duties lost.

JT and Marner shakes up a lot more areas of the team and greatly lowers the skill level of that positional loss

 

[FlareKnight]

Between the options, I'd probably move Marner. Because bias, but also because of position and frankly money. Moving Nylander just doesn't do enough to help the cap situation as moving Marner does. Not exactly double Nylander's contract, but significantly more. That probably does help the Nylander argument based on value. But we need to make good value and actually free up enough money. Going to have regrets no matter what you do. But that's the regret left when you end up in a cap hell far worse than anything they could have expected going in.

Not fun to lose an elite playmaker. But if you have to lose a core guy it isn't going to be one of your elite centers. So just comes down to the wingers. Either the elite playmaker you can throw out on a PK or the one that can put up over 30 goals.

 

[Bomber0104]

I think they will regret trading either Marner or Nylander.

I know Marner might be the more popular player to trade because of his contract, but when he's on his game we have seen him put up 94 points.

Trade secondary/specialist pieces like Nylander first.

Then primary assets like Marner...

 

[LeafsNation75]

Trade secondary/specialist pieces like Nylander first.

Then primary assets like Marner...

I thought the point is to possibly trade one of them and not both?

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

Geeze.. i hope Hyman doesn't rinse us too lol i hate the cap....

 

[ACC1224]

Nylander should be mentioned along with Matthews, Marner, and Tavares. I guess he's not because his contract is only $6.96 million AAV compared to $10.893 million AAV, (Marner) $11 million AAV (Tavares) and $11.634 million AAV (Matthews).

He’s always been the 4th of the 4. He’s the Leafs ‘Ringo’.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lou + babs = 105 points
Dubas + babs = 100 points
Dubas + babs + keefe = pace of 95 points

Under this core:

Lou + Babcock: 40.5 ROW/82 GP
Dubas + Babcock: 42.2 ROW/82 GP
Dubas + Keefe: 47.1 ROW/82 GP

 

[ACC1224]

should the leafs move Marner good read...
Should the Toronto Maple Leafs Trade Mitch Marner?

Trade deadline has long past, possible they could move him after the season. He’ll definitely be part of this series.

 

[Al14]

I see your point, but if they do trade him the regret will be real....

Regret, and 2nd guessing, will be huge no matter which of the big 4 our Leafs trade. There will be fans upset with our Leafs no matter what the return is.

Dubas, and company, are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

We need at least ONE more top notch player on D. Rielly is not enough, Muzzin is not enough either. Our D kids aren't ready either. JMHO.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We don't need to (and we shouldn't) trade any of the big 4, and it's literally impossible to do before this series anyway.

 

[4thline]

Those LTIR contracts expiry this year so no more going over the hard cap like previously

Anyone that thinks that the LTIR contracts expiring is a bad thing should be banned from cap related discussion for anything other than learning purposes, as they have no clue what they're talking about.

LTIR covers the injured player (and does so in a cap inefficient way), it doesn't give additional benefit

 

[ottomaddox]

I wonder if it had anything to do with Babcock?

Coaches can drive guys out of town. Randy drove MacArthur out of Toronto...and close to driving out some others.

I don't buy this. Coaches don't negotiate contracts, GM's do. Do we know how much Nonis offered to re-sign MacArthur? Clarke M wasn't traded away. He signed a contract that best suited him.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't buy this. Coaches don't negotiate contracts, GM's do. Do we know how much Nonis offered to re-sign MacArthur? Clarke M wasn't traded away. He signed a contract that best suited him.

Players will leave if they feel the Coach is not utilizing them correctly and costing them future dollars.

 

[ottomaddox]

Players will leave if they feel the Coach is not utilizing them correctly and costing them future dollars.

Exactly. It did seem that Mac and Carlyle didn't get along, but let's not just say things like "he was run out of town". Coaches have their input, they design their roster, etc. Let's not pretend that coaches sign, trade, and draft players.

 

[AreBe]

1: figure out how to spend vast sums of money that you cannot pay players with to improve the team: 1, best analytics possible, more and more pro scouts, amateur scouts, everywhere, including Europe, NCAA, and KHL. 2, See if you can get someone from the KHL, you may need to buy the contract out from a KHL team and it may be worth it- just get developing awesome talent and all it costs you is cash, not a deft pick, not a player on your roster unless you cut one. 3 Lose the good Canadain kid fixation! When the Leafs were busy drafting good Canadain kids, Detroit was picking Europeans, and aside from all those Stanley Cups, has nothing to show for it. Stop it with the "Canadian players first" mentality. 4, Consider getting a Russain and English speaking assistant coach, 5, Double - down on sports science
2. MLSE wide synergies. See where resources can be pooled together- Analytics may be part of this. There may be a "let's look for causality and probability" and maybe Leaf players will learn that it is better to miss the net shooting over it than into stacked pads in an attempt to get the puck over the goalie lying down taking away the bottom of the net. Sport sciences, diet, nutrition, sleep, all that could perhaps be pooled and learnt from. And MLSE sports psychology may be worth looking into
3 . Examine what Leafs Nation wants- get in there and study the demands of Leafs Nation, and then be smart and do the opposite: Keep Ivan Svensky, don't trade for Patrick O'Thuggo, lay off trading draft picks for 35-year-olds with torn ACLs just because they won the cup, the Noris, and the Conn Smyth. 12 years ago.

 

[Mess]

Leafs defensemen under contract for next season with limited cap space & with a flat cap.

Rielly --- Marincin
Muzzin -- Holl
Sandin -- Rosen

That Dcore accounts for nearly $15 mil cap space, and with the team already having committed ~ $77 mil cap space for next year 2020-21 under contract accounted for, of a total $81.5 mil projected cap space ceiling for next year its not hard to see the situation Leafs find themselves in.

Those totals do not currently include Mikko Lehtonen ($925k) or Liljegren ($863k) [=$1.79 mil combined] not currently listed among that $77 mil.

Is this the plan the GM has in mind or are we going to see drastic changes?

 

[4thline]

So so much depends on whether Dermott can sustain/improve upon his play from the last ~25 games of the season, and if one of he or Rielly can succeed on the right to make a solid top pairing. If that works,

20-21
With only a Johnsson trade we can run a 22 man roster that has roughly between 4 and 4.7 to get Dermott and Mikheyev to multi-year extensions. It's fair to hope that in a flat cap world and two guys that want to be here 2m could get 3 years out of Soup, and ~2.4 could get 3 or 4 out of Dermott.

21-22
The entire (meaningful) roster is locked in except for Hyman and Andersen. Swap Kerfoot with a ~1.5 million 3C. The 2 million in savings is enough for a raise to 4m for Hyman + a nominal increase to 1G. Again, with a flat cap that could very likely be enough to retain Andersen on a 2-3 year deal.

22-23
Where it gets interesting
Rielly-Campbell UFA
Kapanen-Liljegren-Sandin RFA
Holl-Dermott 1 year from UFA

Two full seasons of hockey to play, and with a group as promising as Sandin/Liljegren/Dermott impossible to say what those decisions will look like.

 

[Mess]

Anyone that thinks that the LTIR contracts expiring is a bad thing should be banned from cap related discussion for anything other than learning purposes, as they have no clue what they're talking about.

LTIR covers the injured player (and does so in a cap inefficient way), it doesn't give additional benefit

So why did Dubas re-acquire Clarkson's dead LTIR contract to help with resigning Marner, when he already had Horton's bad LTIR contract on the books?

So instead of dealing away Horton uninsured 1 X year LTIR contract at $5.3 mil to save cap space Dubas doubled down to bring in another one on top. He could have saved $5.3 mil cap space removing Horton but instead he decided Marleau @$6.25 mil and healthy was worth his 1st round pick instead to create that needed cap space.

I guess one might need to understand LTIR benefits that do not hurt the club, when those contracts are pushed above the hard cap ceiling upper limit, and replaced with healthy bodies, using their re-reimbursement cap space.

 

[4thline]

So why did Dubas re-acquire Clarkson's dead LTIR contract to help with resigning Marner, when he already had Horton's bad LTIR contract on the books?

I guess one might need to understand LTIR benefits that do not hurt the club, when those contracts are pushed above the hard cap ceiling upper limit, and replaced with healthy bodies, using their re-reimbursement cap space.

Because since we were already in LTIR with Horton. LTIR isn't instant dollar for dollar replacement, especially at season opening. They way the numbers worked out we needed to have more base salary on the books in order to right at the cap to be able to use the full LTIR rather than being stuck with a portion of Horton.

Simple question, yes or no answer. Are the Leafs better off with Horton and Clarkson off the books this season?

 

[AreBe]

I see your point, but if they do trade him the regret will be real....

Textbook Leafs Nation demand: move out Ivan Svensky bring in the veteran box sitter, Patrick O'Thuggo or Bob "Old Man" Torny, with his torn knees.

I know Leafs Nation thinking: Just because this talented young player under contract is going to hoist cups, why must he do it in a Leafs jersey?