Post-Game Talk: We Are The Ones (who haven't won yet) Phi 4 - NJ 0

[Oneiro]

Congrats, I played juniors as well. I’ll side with the NHL head coaches, USNTDP and Devils hockey ops who think Hynes is a great coach.

You have a couple links to these quotes? Really just curious more than trying to disagree. Though I do disagree.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Oh Jesus another one defending the coach to the death. What has this guy done to earn the benefit of the doubt? We’re not talking about Pat burns here for crimes sake. The guy has been behind the bench for five years and just got extended for guaranteed money another several years, he gets the benefit of being near the top for all time games coached with this franchise...he’s benefited waaaaay more than he deserves. It actually pisses me off that someone has mediocre as he is gets this kind of reward for it...disgusting.

He sucks dude, give it a rest. I’ll go on the record right now and say this team will be garbage for the remainder of his time here. Save this post if you want. I’ll gladly and proudly eat crow if that isn’t the case.

You’re entitled to your opinion, I’ve already stated my case. I think Hynes will have them either in the playoffs or the first team or two out of the playoffs this season right on the cusp. Next year they’ll be solid. I’ll go on record with that as well.

 

[Tundra]

You wonder if Hynes has the players petrified to make mistakes?

 

[johnny pierogi]

You have a couple links to these quotes? Really just curious more than trying to disagree. Though I do disagree.

one thing i learned from open hockey is that most guys played junior or were good enough to play junior

 

[Auto Pilot]

Congrats, I played juniors as well. I’ll side with the NHL head coaches, USNTDP and Devils hockey ops who think Hynes is a great coach.

you do realize there are people in the NHL that think Peter Chiarelli still should be a GM in some capacity or that it’s an old boys club? Hynes might be good in the lower levels, but he is not an NHL coach. Nothing he has done at this level suggests he should still be here. He coaches like he’s still a first year coach. He’s in year 5 with a talented roster. It can’t all lay in the players backs for being this bad.

you can move the goalposts all you want to defend a bad coach, but the results speak volumes.

 

[Devilsfan118]

If Subban looks like a #1 Dman worth $9 mil per to you , we will agree to disagree. His last GM traded him because he thought he could spend $9 mil in a more productive manner for his team.

He played 26 minutes tonight and was even despite the team losing 4-0.

He ain't the problem here.

 

[Jets012]

Too much skill to look like this. Something has to change

 

[Unknown Caller]

You have a couple links to these quotes? Really just curious more than trying to disagree. Though I do disagree.

Pierre Lebrun’s NHL coaches article from 8 days ago on the Athletic discussing the surprise teams for 2019.

 

[jkrdevil]

And they made the playoffs the next year. Great article. Reliable resource for hockey ops decisions.

IT WAS A FLUKE! Even in the year the made the playoffs they were a 48% CF team, which was 11th worst in the league (highest under Hynes). Even within that year that nearly had an epic collapse.

The point of sharing said article was to point out these problems have persisted throughout his tenure. And it has more to do than a poor roster. The roster sucked in the immediate year before Hynes and he still had a drop in possession.

I’m not saying he is going to get fired. Mostly because Shero previously lost his job where he won a Cup because he refused to fire the coach (and he waited nearly too long to do it the previous time). But the coach should be tossed.

Btw, the results of everyone who has come from the org. to coach elsewhere has not been pretty.

 

[Jets012]

Too much skill to look like this. Something has to change

These aren't "bad-breaks" or bad puck luck either. Getting thoroughly outplayed the last two games

 

[Devils731]

I think you forgot the D-man chasing the puck player all the way to their own defensive blue line, ahead of the forwards. At least, I saw it last year, A LOT.

Hynes does appeared to have stopped that but the defenseman and strong side winger don’t know how to hand that player off to each other.

What’s mostly happened is the defenseman starts to peel off at the halfwall, the winger sees this and starts to attack late, and the winger has the option to curl towards the net or play the puck to the strong side point. If played towards the point the weak side winger now has a no win choice of attacking the defenseman with the puck and leaving the other defenseman wide open or allowing the defenseman with the puck to have lots of space.

In all scenarios the Devils 3 players involved are burning lots of energy for almost no chance to win the puck back.

 

[Unknown Caller]

IT WAS A FLUKE! Even in the year the made the playoffs they were a 48% CF team, which was 11th worst in the league (highest under Hynes). Even within that year that nearly had an epic collapse.

The point of sharing said article was to point out these problems have persisted throughout his tenure. And it has more to do than a poor roster. The roster sucked in the immediate year before Hynes and he still had a drop in possession.

I’m not saying he is going to get fired. Mostly because Shero previously lost his job where he won a Cup because he refused to fire the coach (and he waited nearly too long to do it the previous time). But the coach should be tossed.

Btw, the results of everyone who has come from the org. to coach elsewhere has not been pretty.

At the end of the day, we aren’t changing each other’s minds. We’ll see how this plays out and who’s right. There’s not much else to say. We’ll just argue in circles.

 

[Call Me Al]

hey at least hughes looked good tonight. more confident with the puck, set up some chances and didnt get hemmed in his zone. hope they keep that line together.

as for the rest of the team... yuck. what is this team's identity supposed to be? they're certainly not hard to play against. are they trying to dazzle with offensive talent and skilled plays? they can barely make two passes in a row without coughing the puck up. wear out the other team? they can't cycle and most offensive possessions get rubbed out and cleared with one or fewer shots being taken. defensively sound? LOL.

for as much hype and excitement surrounding the team going into this season it's going to be bleak as hell after they lose to edmonton and boston

 

[Whaddagoal]

You’re entitled to your opinion, I’ve already stated my case. I think Hynes will have them either in the playoffs or the first team or two out of the playoffs this season right on the cusp. Next year they’ll be solid. I’ll go on record with that as well.

If the season was already going and they looked reasonably average, I'd say give him more time...BUT these 3 games, just think about it:

game 1: 4-0 to 4-5 loss SO (3 goal cascade 3rd period)
game 2 (b2b): Blowout 7-2
game 3: shutout by opponent (horrible quality play)
game 4: (b2b) <how can we not expect anything bad here?>

Tonight's game wasn't just a loss, they played absolutely horrendous non-NHL quality hockey. It's as if they were icing the AHL injury squad from last season. They had 2-3 days rest. They literally, for most of 3rd period, couldn't even get past the offensive blueline to do anything. It's not that they were being trapped. They just were horrible, posession-wise, horrible making plays. In last 5 mins of 3rd period they came to life for about 2-3 shifts.

Yeah you can point at players somewhat, but this is really bad across all the games. They looked good for 2 periods in game 1, that is it. that is where this team was at.

 

[Unknown Caller]

one thing i learned from open hockey is that most guys played junior or were good enough to play junior

You’re not wrong, I wasn’t the one who brought it up.

 

[jkrdevil]

Jacques Martin
Lindy Ruff
Randy Carlyle
Scott Stevens

I want experience. Lots of it. Give me defense. Give me counterattacking. Get #4 working with the D. Not this Nasreddine clown.

Penguins Assistant
Rangers Assistant
Good Lord No
Who knows if he wants to coach again, but you have to call.

Also, Disco is an assistant with Detroit.

John Stevens, who I think would be a good choice, is an assistant for Dallas now.

This is the issue of at least not planning for this likely scenario last year when they finished last. They should have brought in a safety net at least. Everyone has a job now.

 

[Whaddagoal]

Hynes does appeared to have stopped that but the defenseman and strong side winger don’t know how to hand that player off to each other.

What’s mostly happened is the defenseman starts to peel off at the halfwall, the winger sees this and starts to attack late, and the winger has the option to curl towards the net or play the puck to the strong side point. If played towards the point the weak side winger now has a no win choice of attacking the defenseman with the puck and leaving the other defenseman wide open or allowing the defenseman with the puck to have lots of space.

In all scenarios the Devils 3 players involved are burning lots of energy for almost no chance to win the puck back.

Well if he gave it up, i guess that is baby steps, but whatever is there isn't working either, or the players don't know what the f*** to do..... too complicated.

 

[glenwo2]

Wait....I am currently going through the GDT :

Did I read right?

Did Bratt not get ONE MINUTE OF ICE TIME DURING THAT 5-ON-3? FOR REAL??

 

[Blender]

Small sample size, but 3 games in the Devils are 27th in SF%, 26th in CF%, 24th in GF%, 28th in xGF% (i.e. we have actually over performed in actual GF%), 30th in SCF%, and 24th in HDCF%.

The team has been horrendous.

 

[R8Devs]

Penguins Assistant
Rangers Assistant
Good Lord No
Who knows if he wants to coach again, but you have to call.

Also, Disco is an assistant with Detroit.

John Stevens, who I think would be a good choice, is an assistant for Dallas now.

This is the issue of at least not planning for this likely scenario last year when they finished last. They should have brought in a safety net at least. Everyone has a job now.

Jukka Jalonen . he's not coaching the finnish national team atm. scott stevens as the defense coach.
bang bang /s

but yeah that's why in season firings are kinda difficult, maybe San Jose fires Pete and the Devils hire him

 

[Unknown Caller]

Who needs Eddie Lack’s opinion when you have Wyshynski??

 

[Tundra]

The LAST DAYS before DISCO!

 

[Unknown Caller]

Small sample size, but 3 games in the Devils are 27th in SF%, 26th in CF%, 24th in GF%, 28th in xGF% (i.e. we have actually over performed in actual GF%), 30th in SCF%, and 24th in HDCF%.

The team has been horrendous.

Without question. The end of Winnipeg, Buffalo and now Philly have been unmitigated disasters.

 

[Camille the Eel]

The one game management thing I would criticize tonight was not getting fresh legs out there earlier on the 5 on 3. Palms, Bratt, Nico, Simmons, somebody for Subban should have gotten out there half way through.

Subban was gassed early on that 5 on 3 and we were falling over and bumping into each other trying to retrieve the puck in the neural zone and re enter and set up. We wasted a lot of the 5 on 3 that way. We needed fresh legs earlier to chase down those pucks and manage the ice.

On the players especially Gusev was that we were trying to be way too deliberate and perfect. Throw the puck around the perimeters if the perfect cross ice pass isn’t there.

 

[RangerDoggo]

I don’t give a f*** who’s available. Hynes needs to go immediately. Fire him, promote someone in the interim either on the bench or in Binghamton, and start looking for a permanent replacement.