Prospect Info: Way too early 2020 draft options

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    Getting back on track.

    Not having the U18 tournament means that some players won't be risers. Some players available in the 2nd round would have had strong tournaments and ended up late first rounders. This is going to be especially true for European players.

    Of course others are realizing that there is an opportunity for drafting arbitrage (Pension Plan Puppets, Alex Taxman, and McKeen's have all had articles on this in the past few weeks).

    My favorites among under-valued Europeans are:

    Roni Hirvonen—I am really skeptical of all the 5'9" and smaller players in this draft. However, Hirvonen is one of two (Berard is the other) who I think will succeed, mostly because he is already faring well against men and excels in international play against the best of his age group. For most of the year Hirvonen was ranked/mocked in the first round but recently has been showing up around 35-40. In that range he has great value.

    Theodor Niederbach—showed up in one or two first round projections early on but now mostly in the 40-55 range. HockeyProspect liked him for his "high hockey IQ and no obvious weaknesses to his game." McKeen's gave him the same grade for Smarts as Perfetti and Raymond. He has the additional advantage of being a right-shot center. If he is available, he is my top choice for the Canes first second-rounder.

    Daniel Torgersson—is the one player who most needed an international showcase to rise. He significantly improved his point production in SuperElit this season and was a top goal scorer on Sweden's U18 team. Had he continued that at the WJC18, he could have vaulted into the 30-40 range because he is one of the biggest forwards available (6'3", 205) and is a good skater. If he is available when the Canes are up for their second 2nd-rounder, Torgersson would be an ideal add to a prospect group that was on the smallish side last draft.

    Oskar Magnusson—is a player who seems to do everything well, but doesn't have any elite skills. He would be a great pick if the Canes still have a fourth round pick—which is looking unlikely.

    Mans Forsfjall—this smallish defender is on the young side and won't turn 18 until after the draft. He showed some flashes of offense in both league play and international play. HockeyProspect called him "a leader on his team" who "plays a smart defensive game." He could be available in the 7th round and would be a great pick.

    Several European players getting some attention who I am not as high on are:

    Emil Heineman—is a player I would normally be high on due to having good size and being an excellent skater. However, his 30%+ shooting makes me think he might be one of the few Swedish players picked too high.

    Roby Jarventie—produced much like Puistola in the Mestis this season. My concern is that I have read several analysts and casual fans question his defensive IQ.

    Veeti Miettinen—set goal-scoring records in the top Finnish U-20 league. However, I am reminded of two other highly-skilled smallish forwards who have struggled in the pro ranks (Heponiemi and Aaltonen). Like Heineman, I think Miettinen could be a good pick but a round after he is likely to go.

    Marat Khusnutdinov—is a player who really causes me cognitive dissonance. He is praised by everyone who watches him for his two-way game and skating. So he should succeed where Jarventie and Heineman might not. But production matters to some extent and Khusnutdinov's production is under-whelming, at least for a player being projected in the top 50.
     
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    Scouching report on Dylan Holloway. Another guy who fits the profile the Canes appear to look for. Good skater with a high motor who is aggressive all over the ice in all situations.
     
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    Made a Tim Stutzle hype reel - thought you guys might enjoy :)

     
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    This may be a little off topic, mostly because the canes will not be drafting these players, but there seems to a consensus that Lafrinere is the only NHL ready prospect in the draft. What characteristics preclude Stutzle and Byfield from being considered NHL ready. They appear to have the size, speed and skill. Particularly Stutzle because he can play wing and not have the responsibility of a centerman. Any thoughts on this?
     
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    My understanding with Byfield is it's just a matter of refinement and maturity to his game that makes some people think he might not stick next year. I think he's on the younger side of the draft as opposed to Lafreniere being on the older side of the draft. He does seem to have the physical maturity to make it though.

    Stutzle, I'm not sure. He's played in a league with men and the little I saw him seemed quite skilled. I kinda thought he would have a good chance to make it if being in a European league with the start of next season uncertain doesn't stop him.

    It all might just come down to who drafts them.
     
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    As AA said, Byfield is really young. He doesn't turn 18 until August. He is 11 months younger than guys like Rossi, Quinn, and 10 months younger than Lafraniere. So Byfield being ready next year is pretty much the same as other draftees being ready this year. He has the skill. Everything I have read suggests that he needs to refine that skill, which often happens during a player's 18-year-old season.

    Stutzle will likely get serious playing time in the preseason and first two weeks. That will determine if he sticks

    I have read quite a few analysts/fans who believe Lundell is NHL ready.
     
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    New hype reel for Seth Jarvis :) very underrated player (with one of the best names in the draft)

    Let me know if there's a player you want covered next!

     
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    Sorry I didn't see this message

    Just thought you guys might enjoy some hockey vids during this weird time we're living in haha

    I'll keep it Canes related from now on
     
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    Lapierre and his concussions are all over the place with rankings. I hope we get him with the 1st.

    44 pick- rankings are so all over the place with 25-50. dobberprospects has RHD Schneider at 45. RHD Schneider, LW Neighbors, LW Foudy, LW Reichel? would all be good.
    54- Im still stuck on LHD Jurmo here. If in the unlikely case of Schneider dropping to us a 44 maybe go with Hirvonen as @42 jerks suggests.
     
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    Not sure if Anton Lundell will be available when the Canes pick - but I think he'd do well with the young core already in place :)

    Very smart 2-way player... probably the most NHL-ready European in the draft.

     
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    I like Lundell, but I think he'll be gone a good bit before our pick at this point.

    For Lapierre, he seems to have some good upside, but I'm not at the point where I'm willing to use a 1st on him. Just too risky for me. If we had that other 1st still, maybe I'd take the risk. But I don't think we're so set at this point that I'd take him before the 2nd.
     
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    Top 5 player in the draft and best 2 way guy that may or may not have had 3 concussions. I say may not because there is recent write ups saying he sustained an undiagnosed vertebrae injury during the 1st concussion that may have reaggrevated that seemed like 2 other concussions.

    That is a risk worth taking at 19 for me. He’ll have an 9+ months before playing again.
     
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    I'm well aware of his situation. I'm not sure I consider possible vertebrae injury any less risky than concussions. I just don't want the risk. Someone will take the rest, quite possibly us, and it could work out great no doubt. Could easily blow up as well.
     
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  20. SvechneJerk Can we jump ahead to 2021, please?

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    According to a couple reports I've seen, including the linked one below, are that he's only had one & that the other issues are related to a spinal injury. Is that any better? :dunno:

    Hendrix Lapierre the ultimate draft wild card after injury-plagued season - TSN.ca
     
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    Out of place veterbraes can be reversed. Concussions can’t.

    in the The Athletic article it sounds it required surgery to fix the misaligned vertebrae.
     
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    Lapierre's concussions are concerning. I would take a healthier bet. Fingers crossed Mysak is still on the board.
     
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    New hype reel for Jack Quinn :) best pure goal scorer in this year's draft

    Enjoy guys!

     
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    Another new reel for Kaiden Guhle :) one of the most complete defenders in the this year's draft

    Let me know what you guys think!

     
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    Kaiden?

    WHL is empty and all the bantams are here.
     
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