Speculation: Was Babcock the reason why M&M didn't Sign for 8 Years

[DarkKnight]

If Babcock is fired after Game 7 or during the summer as some thought might happen, the thinking is that Marner would have signed a more friendly contract?

Not only that, but Nylander and Matthews would have waltzed into Dubas' office with two hockey bags full of bonus money and returned it.

 

[axlrose87]

i havent seen any more about marner in months about the negotiations. Just that its a bit too high, there is no damage to control anymore. Releasing this straight after the negotiations were done that would have been great damage control

The very fact that sports net has him on the front page now calling for players to “speak their truth” is plenty of reason for damage control.
Makes him look like a spoiled brat yet again.... which the media seems to enjoy now that he is so grossly overpaid

 

[Walshy7]

The very fact that sports net has him on the front page now calling for players to “speak their truth” is plenty of reason for damage control.
Makes him look like a spoiled brat yet again.... which the media seems to enjoy now that he is so grossly overpaid

i dont know about that, this story came out he told the truth and is now leaning into it. Also since that other players have come out and said the truth about peters and babcock further. It may be a coincidence but all the peters news broke after babs

 

[ACC1224]

The very fact that sports net has him on the front page now calling for players to “speak their truth” is plenty of reason for damage control.
Makes him look like a spoiled brat yet again.... which the media seems to enjoy now that he is so grossly overpaid

you're all over the place and none of it makes any sense.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

i havent seen any more about marner in months about the negotiations. Just that its a bit too high, there is no damage to control anymore. Releasing this straight after the negotiations were done that would have been great damage control

Marner had an amazing negotiation. They did great by any standard. You won't hear anything else period. I have not heard a word either since last season. I believe it is a self imposed thing now though after Shanny asked for quiet. I would take a large wager that nothing came from or will come from Marner unless Mitch says something to a reporter.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Source please.

Pretty sure with your claim you’re the one who should be providing sources.
The bobby Mac musings the other Pieter claimed are accurate

 

[DopeyFish]

I say no because seattle and new TV deal is looming.

 

[axlrose87]

you're all over the place and none of it makes any sense.

Looks pretty straight forward to me

 

[LeafsLegendAkiBerg]

I think it's impossible to say how much of an impact Babcock had. I wouldn't be shocked if Marner and Matthews needed a little more convincing as a result of having to play under Babcock. We heard that Marner needed to be convinced not to demand a trade when listgate happened.

Last time I suggested that it's possible that it played into the lack of discounts from our star players someone got angry and said "oh, so now it's Babcock's fault not Dubas?" so I'll take this opportunity to say that I don't think it's the only reason if it is a reason and yes, the GM is still the one that signed the contracts.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

The term argument makes no sense since Babcock's would have ended earlier. I do truly believe it had at least done effect on how the dollar value negotiations went.

 

[Myopic]

I think the driving force was to get another massive contract while still in their prime in 5-6 years. I don't think they liked the coach but money was the main consideration. We've already seen that they value money over anything else.

 

[Notsince67]

Actually, we have a very comparable contract to Matthews in Malkin, as for Marner there isn’t even a ballpark close comparable, so no, I don’t think they’re a “little different” I think Marner is overpaid by a good 2M and Matthews is exactly where he should be. Everything points to it, including the eye test. Nothing Marner has done has eclipsed Matthews besides staying healthy.

You have nothing. And are wrong. Best to stay silent.

 

[IPS]

At this point there’s been literally millions of excuses made to try and rationalize the unprecedented dramatic overpayments. Here’s another one.

But the truth is that it was nothing more than a rookie gm that didn’t know what he was doing who himself admitted he was learning as he goes. The end.

Funny how you wanted "Dubas to be investigated for criminal activity" yet you just want to glaze over these Babcock incidents like they're no big deal.

Very interesting...

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don’t think it played a role in either players desire for term. As mentioned here already Matthews wanted 8 years to begin with, and from Marners perspective he wanted what Austin got. Where it might of made a difference was in how much AAV they ultimately received. If the guys were playing for someone they were in total alignment with, maybe they all take a bit less.

 

[ACC1224]

Looks pretty straight forward to me

I bet.

 

[LeafGrief]

Babcock had an eight year deal. Matthews and Marner both had extensions that kicked in with four years down on Babcock's deal and four to go. If they wanted to stay but hated the coach, why wouldn't they sign for the full eight years? That gives them four years Babcock free at the end. I'm happy to blame Babcock for all kinds of things that were wrong with the team, but those contracts are on Dubas and have next to nothing to do with Babcock.

 

[18leafsfan18]

He signed for 6 years (with Babcock still having 4 years on his contract). Makes no sense that Babcock had anything to do with the length of the deal.

Seems like a pretty easy answer.

If he signed for 1 or 2 I could see this being the case, but he signed for longer then the remainder of Babcock's contract.

I think Babcock may have been a factor for prices raising, but noone knows how much of a factor.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Funny how you wanted "Dubas to be investigated for criminal activity" yet you just want to glaze over these Babcock incidents like they're no big deal.

Very interesting...

Dubas overpayments are so extreme that I’m suspicious of illegal activity. If there’s nothing there, then there’s nothing there. It’s just a suspicion.

With Babcock, he did some crappy things that were worthy of being fired over. And... uh... he’s fired. Which should really just be the end of all this.

 

[LeafGrief]

Dubas overpayments are so extreme that I’m suspicious of illegal activity. If there’s nothing there, then there’s nothing there. It’s just a suspicion.

This take is so spicy that I’m suspicious you ate Thai food for lunch.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Seeing how Matthews is on record wanting max term it makes no sense.

Max term at 14 AAV.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

First off i only offered bridge deals to Marner and Nylander.

I am on record for both.

If Dubas felt people wanted top Dollar because of Babcock, then he definitely should have bridged all 3.

 

[hoglund]

I've never heard of Mathews and Marner referred to as "M&M". I doubt Babcock was the reason that they didn't sign for 8 years.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You have nothing. And are wrong. Best to stay silent.

You have no idea what you're talking about and have never backed up any of your arguments, so take your own advice.

 

[Notsince67]

You have no idea what you're talking about and have never backed up any of your arguments, so take your own advice.

Haha...look who is talking. You deke for days on your logic

 

[Dekes For Days]

Haha...look who is talking. You deke for days on your logic

Unlike you, I support every position I take with evidence.