Player Discussion Warren Foegele

[Tobias Kahun]

Oilers sign or trade for a decent bottom 6 option, and decide to slot him into the top 6 where he proves he doesn't belong, so the fanbase starts calling him useless.

It's a tale as old as time.

Him being in the top 6 probably has nothing to do with 2 top 6 players out.

 

[GOilers88]

Oilers sign or trade for a decent bottom 6 option, and decide to slot him into the top 6 where he proves he doesn't belong, so the fanbase starts calling him useless.

It's a tale as old as time.

Unrealistic expectations. People wanted a 20 goal, 40 point middle six winger, rather than the 10 - 15 goal, 20 - 30 point 3rd line winger.

Bang on. You can see it coming a mile away if he gets moved. Will find a nice home on a third line and do what we brought him in to do, then we'll be looking for another guy to fill his spot.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Bang on. You can see it coming a mile away if he gets moved. Will find a nice home on a third line and do what we brought him in to do, then we'll be looking for another guy to fill his spot.

I have to admit, I was hoping Foegle had another gear that he could hit offensively, but it looks like he has plateaud at exactly what he was in Carolina. Which is fine, as we have needed a guy like him for a long time. Unfortunately he feels a bit overpaid give his output, but he also has been incredibly snakebitten.

 

[Magnum23]

He is starting to take the body more which is what I like to see. He doesn't have to go head-hunting like 2017 Playoff Kassian but I would like to see him be like an Evander Kane or josh Archibald and continue finishing checks 3-4 times a game.

 

[Mr Positive]

We have had an awful bottom six for years. It's gotten a lot better and he's a part of that. He just needs to stay in the bottom six.

 

[MessierII]

Unrealistic expectations. People wanted a 20 goal, 40 point middle six winger, rather than the 10 - 15 goal, 20 - 30 point 3rd line winger.

I don’t know. It’s not so much the production. I didn’t expect a team worst - player.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don’t know. It’s not so much the production. I didn’t expect a team worst - player.

And we aren't getting that either. I don't know how anyone could even suggest that with a straight face. He's our 8th best forward at the moment. Might be 9th with McLeod's development.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He is starting to take the body more which is what I like to see. He doesn't have to go head-hunting like 2017 Playoff Kassian but I would like to see him be like an Evander Kane or josh Archibald and continue finishing checks 3-4 times a game.

He's 2nd on the team among forwards for hits right now with 92 (with Kane on pace to pass him fairly quickly). Overall, I would like most of our forwards to take the body a bit more, but Foegle is doing better than most. People talk about Benson getting gritty, but Foegle has twice the hits of Benson.

 

[joestevens29]

He's 2nd on the team among forwards for hits right now with 92 (with Kane on pace to pass him fairly quickly). Overall, I would like most of our forwards to take the body a bit more, but Foegle is doing better than most. People talk about Benson getting gritty, but Foegle has twice the hits of Benson.

Probably because he has twice the games. Hits per 60 Benson is 2nd among forwards that played a meaningful amount of games.

I'm not Benson supporter either, just pointing it out

 

[Arpeggio]

Foegele is worth hanging on to, he's putting up basically identical numbers to last season. If you can count on him for 35 points, with hopefully some room to grow, that's solid for a bottom six guy who can play up the lineup in a pinch.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Probably because he has twice the games. Hits per 60 Benson is 2nd among forwards that played a meaningful amount of games.

I'm not Benson supporter either, just pointing it out

Ok. It still doesn't reflect a lack of hitting by Foegle.

 

[McDNicks17]

He's 2nd on the team among forwards for hits right now with 92 (with Kane on pace to pass him fairly quickly). Overall, I would like most of our forwards to take the body a bit more, but Foegle is doing better than most. People talk about Benson getting gritty, but Foegle has twice the hits of Benson.

He has some hits, but it's not like he's making any impact with them. He pretty much just bumps guys because he knows he needs to throw hits to stay in the league, but looks like he has no interest in doing it otherwise.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He has some hits, but it's not like he's making any impact with them. He pretty much just bumps guys because he knows he needs to throw hits to stay in the league, but looks like he has no interest in doing it otherwise.

"He needs to be more physical"
- But he has the 2nd most hits on the team
"No, not that type of physical, some other type of physical would be better".

I think your analysis of Foegle's forechecking is pretty far gone. He hits guys. Not every hit has to erase everyone.

 

[MessierII]

And we aren't getting that either. I don't know how anyone could even suggest that with a straight face. He's our 8th best forward at the moment. Might be 9th with McLeod's development.

I was referring to the fact he’s a team worst -14

 

[Magnum23]

He's 2nd on the team among forwards for hits right now with 92 (with Kane on pace to pass him fairly quickly). Overall, I would like most of our forwards to take the body a bit more, but Foegle is doing better than most. People talk about Benson getting gritty, but Foegle has twice the hits of Benson.

Hmm very interesting,for some reason I notice Benson,Kane’s hits a lot more. Maybe because I’m not a stats guy but I’m surprised Foegele has that many hits - need to watch more closely

 

[ManofSteel55]

Hmm very interesting,for some reason I notice Benson,Kane’s hits a lot more. Maybe because I’m not a stats guy but I’m surprised Foegele has that many hits - need to watch more closely

I was surprised to see anyone questioning Foegle's physicality. He seems to bang quite a bit out there to me.

Soon after the trade, someone compared Foegle to Ethan Moreau. I argued that comparison, as I felt Foegle had more upside to give but in retrospect I was quite wrong. Ethan Moreau is a decent comparable for Foegle.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I was referring to the fact he’s a team worst -14

You can do better than +/- I would hope.

 

[FlameChampion]

I still like the idea of the player. I wish he was a bit more consistent. I think him and Ryan have been better under Woodcroft. That being said, I dont think he should be played in the top 6.

I wouldnt really focus too much on the negative plus/minus. That occurred over a pretty short stretch for him and Ryan under Tippett.

 

[MessierII]

+

You can do better than +/- I would hope.

+\- isn’t great but when your the worst on your team by a lot it’s a bad sign.

 

[joestevens29]

+


+\- isn’t great but when your the worst on your team by a lot it’s a bad sign.

+2 since Woody took over

 

[Oilhawks]

+3 (+5 since Woody took over I think as per @joestevens29 post above) and the GWG tonight as well

 

[Connor McConnor]

Best forward on the ice tonight debatably. I think he'll start to see more success when RNH comes back in specific, but even Pulju.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He's better than Kassian.


....That's all I got.

 

[Stoneman89]

I liked Foegele when he first got here, as I don't recall a lot of viewings of him in Carolina, but I had not idea he was this offensively challenged (I'm being nice). He does hit, but it seems he does it because he's told to do it. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of meanness or hit to hurt mentality (and I don't mean being dirty). For his salary, I think we can do better, so I think they probably move on from him in the summer.

 

[Stoneman89]

He's better than Kassian.


....That's all I got.

Good endorsement!