Vezina Finalists: Ben Bishop (DAL), Robin Lehner (NYI), Andrei Vasilevskiy (TBL)

[Vaporwave]

Its ridiculous. Lehner is good but hes clearly a product of Trotz and the team defense, as evidenced by his backups numbers.

Yeah, clearly only that.

The man just had one of the best series, 4-0 1.47GA, 956 sv%, over 30 shots against each game...he was unreal. Backing up his stellar reg season.

Andersen gave up 6 goals in a game vs BOS. Lehner gave up 6 GA all series vs a better offensive team.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

This just reads as "waaa my goalie should've won".

Price wasn't even top 10 in GA or SV% for goalies with over 30 games played. Not his year, move on.

30 games played out of 82. Why use 30 games for stats...its a small sample size.

Try with goaler over 50 games again and come back to me with his ranking, mk?

Watch the Vezina finalist over the years amout of game played...

If your team play the back up just as much as the starter, you dont deserve it. Plenty of case where goalie had great number over the years but not enough game played never got the nod.. Why this year? Hence, the weakeast group ever.

Find me a year, lockout aside, where a goaler with 27 wins won the Vezina? I'll wait..

Last time I remember a goaler with 40 games winning it was a 18 years goalie who shocked the hockey world. Thats about it, no other did it.

 

[Bleedred]

And that doesn't make sense to me either.

I'm okay with Price not being nominated but Kuemper should probably have gotten a nod. Strong numbers on a bad team and he at least has enough starts.

Bishop's numbers were just too good to ignore.

I agree. Kuemper should've gotten the nod over Lehner for me. I think Lehner's narrative earned him a lot more attention and therefore votes, though.

I still think it's Vasi's to lose, but this year seems pretty wide open.

In the last 20 years (any maybe even more) only Luongo in 2004 and Bobrovsky in 2013 made the top-3 on a non-playoff team. Bobrovsky won it in 2013 in the 48 game season.

So I wasn't surprised they'd miss out. But they also haven't given a guy with under 53 games played a top-3 vote in the last (At least) 20 years, other than Kiprusoff in 2004. Not until this year.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

Yeah, clearly only that.

The man just had one of the best series, 4-0 1.47GA, 956 sv%, over 30 shots against each game...he was unreal. Backing up his stellar reg season.

Andersen gave up 6 goals in a game vs BOS. Lehner gave up 6 GA all series vs a better offensive team.

Greiss had the exact same number has Lenher... and games too...

1200 saves ?
2600 minutes ?

Thats lowering the standard for the trophy.

 

[Newsworthy]

Totally got this one right. Lehner has a chance but I think Bishop wins this quite easily.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This just reads as "waaa my goalie should've won".

Price wasn't even top 10 in GA or SV% for goalies with over 30 games played. Not his year, move on.

30 games? Come on....

 

[Community]

Always one in the crowd. Vez played 53 games

One in every crowd? Seriously? What do you mean exactly by that?

It was a mistake/typo, I meant 1 of the 3. I even talked in later posts about him playing the most and why I think that would give him an edge to win it.

 

[Bleedred]

30 games played out of 82. Why use 30 games for stats...its a small sample size.

Try with goaler over 50 games again and come back to me with his ranking, mk?

Watch the Vezina finalist over the years amout of game played...

If your team play the back up just as much as the starter, you dont deserve it. Plenty of case where goalie had great number over the years but not enough game played never got the nod.. Why this year? Hence, the weakeast group ever.

Find me a year, lockout aside, where a goaler with 27 wins won the Vezina? I'll wait..

Last time I remember a goaler with 40 games winning it was a 18 years goalie who shocked the hockey world. Thats about it, no other did it.

It was a weird year. Outside of Vasilevskiy, there wasn't any goalie that played over 50 games that even had a .920% or better save percentage, aside from maybe Kuemper and his team missed the playoffs, so he wasn't gonna get a finalist vote.

I was actually thinking they would give the third spot to a guy like Fleury or Rinne with Vasilevskiy and Andersen being the first two, but even Andersen didn't get a top-3 finish.

I'm fine with Lehner and Bishop getting those spots, but I swore they wouldn't, just because you don't see guys that play under 50 games come in the top-3. But most of the other options they could have used either didn't have that high of a save percentage or they were on non-playoff making teams.

 

[Vaporwave]

30 games played out of 82. Why use 30 games for stats...its a small sample size.

Try with goaler over 50 games again and come back to me with his ranking, mk?

Watch the Vezina finalist over the years amout of game played...

If your team play the back up just as much as the starter, you dont deserve it. Plenty of case where goalie had great number over the years but not enough game played never got the nod.. Why this year? Hence, the weakeast group ever.

Find me a year, lockout aside, where a goaler with 27 wins won the Vezina? I'll wait..

Last time I remember a goaler with 40 games winning it was a 18 years goalie who shocked the hockey world. Thats about it, no other did it.

I just ran it with min 40 games played and Price was 10th in both GA and sv%.

You think that deserves a nomination? Didn't think so.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yeah, clearly only that.

The man just had one of the best series, 4-0 1.47GA, 956 sv%, over 30 shots against each game...he was unreal. Backing up his stellar reg season.

Andersen gave up 6 goals in a game vs BOS. Lehner gave up 6 GA all series vs a better offensive team.

Great comparables.

 

[Mrb1p]

I just ran it with min 40 games played and Price was 10th in both GA and sv%.

You think that deserves a nomination? Didn't think so.

How about 50?

 

[Vaporwave]

How about 50?

Only Kuemper and Vasi have respectable numbers of goalies with over 50 game played.

Rinne was 3rd with 2.42 and .918. meh

You guys are beating a dead horse.

 

[Mrb1p]

Only Kuemper and Vasi have respectable numbers of goalies with over 50 game played.

Rinne was 3rd with 2.42 and .918. meh

Ridiculous.

 

[Newsworthy]

Greiss had the exact same number has Lenher... and games too...

1200 saves ?
2600 minutes ?

Thats lowering the standard for the trophy.

No that is incorrect. Bishop and Lehners numbers are almost identical. Including facing the same number of shots against. Same amount of games played.
No one is lowering the standards. And while Vaz was awful in the playoffs both Bishop and Lehner are leading their teams to victory. Now this is a regular season award so Vasilevsky wins out on games played and such but also played with the better team stat wise. Wins should not matter much at all because that's a team award. And it's not like Andrei played in an inordinate amount of games than the aforementioned.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'm glad they actually acknowledged goalies with good "goalie stats" and not just the ones with the most wins or shutouts (ie. more team-related).

 

[Vaporwave]

Ridiculous.

Yeah it is.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

I just ran it with min 40 games played and Price was 10th in both GA and sv%.

You think that deserves a nomination? Didn't think so.

Why you ran it with 40 games ? Still not an amount of game of Vezina trophy winner... Try 50...ahhh I see why you won't post... Because you tried it and saw the results eh?

I don't think there was a better goaltender in 2019 that Carey Price. So yeah I think he deserved a nomination. Didn't make the playoffs, team had 44 wins. Avs are in 2nd round with 38 wins. So the whole playoff or not aspect I don't understand it for the Vezina. Bobrov won it without making it.

Here just for you, I'll run it down cuz you shy.

50 games:

GAA: 4th
Save%: 4th

There was 19 goalies with 50+ games this year.

Bishop and Lehner weren't among these.

Bishop and Lehner are 21st and 22nd int he NHL for save made. 22 and 23 for shot against.


Bishop is 22 and Lehner 24 for time on ice.

Out of 31 starter (cuz u know 31 team. hence 31 #1) they are freaking low.

Workload has always been taken into consideration for that trophy. Nitpicking goalie had not above of ,920 save %... Are we really going to say that the difference bwteen ,918 and ,920 is significant when you play 60-65games?

 

[LT]

No that is incorrect. Bishop and Lehners numbers are almost identical.

I was going to say .15 GAA and .004 SV% differences aren't really "almost identical", but the only difference in 6 goals and about a period of play. I wouldn't have thought that few goals would make a difference like that.

Comparing Greiss and Khudobin tells a different story, though.

 

[Bleedred]

I just ran it with min 40 games played and Price was 10th in both GA and sv%.

You think that deserves a nomination? Didn't think so.

A goalie with a .918% save percentage in 66 games is worth more to me than say a guy that has a .925% save percentage in 45 games played.

 

[Vaporwave]

Why you ran it with 40 games ? Still not an amount of game of Vezina trophy winner... Try 50...ahhh I see why you won't post... Because you tried it and saw the results eh?

I don't think there was a better goaltender in 2019 that Carey Price. So yeah I think he deserved a nomination. Didn't make the playoffs, team had 44 wins. Avs are in 2nd round with 38 wins. So the whole playoff or not aspect I don't understand it for the Vezina. Bobrov won it without making it.

Here just for you, I'll run it down cuz you shy.

50 games:

GAA: 4th
Save%: 4th

There was 19 goalies with 50+ games this year.

Bishop and Lehner weren't among these.

Bishop and Lehner are 21st and 22nd int he NHL for save made. 22 and 23 for shot against.


Bishop is 22 and Lehner 24 for time on ice.

Out of 31 starter (cuz u know 31 team. hence 31 #1) they are freaking low.

Workload has always been taken into consideration for that trophy. Nitpicking goalie had not above of ,920 save %... Are we really going to say that the difference bwteen ,918 and ,920 is significant when you play 60-65games?

Why are you trying so hard?

I don't know what to tell you. Price and Andersen have no bearing on the Vezina this year. Write a letter to the NHL.

 

[LT]

I don't think there was a better goaltender in 2019 that Carey Price.

Honestly this just kind of ruins your entire argument and makes it seem biased.

You complain about arbitrary metrics being applied, but then apply your own arbitrary metrics that "prove" your point. You don't see a problem with that?

 

[LT]

A goalie with a .918% save percentage in 66 games is worth more to me than say a guy that has a .925% save percentage in 45 games played.

Again, what goalies are being compared here? Price and who? Or are more statistics being made up?

 

[Vaporwave]

A goalie with a .918% save percentage in 66 games is worth more to me than say a guy that has a .925% save percentage in 45 games played.

And two goalies with a .930 and .927 are worth more to me than a guy with .918 and 66 games. Not rocket science.

 

[Vaporwave]

Why you ran it with 40 games ? Still not an amount of game of Vezina trophy winner... Try 50...ahhh I see why you won't post... Because you tried it and saw the results eh?

?

I did.

Told you that only Kuemper and Vasi had respectable numbers over 50 GP.

Done here. Enjoy the summer

btw, the numbers say Bishop should win. Again, very pleased that Lehner got the respect he deserved.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I don't think there was a better goaltender in 2019 that Carey Price.

You almost had me until this part.