Vezina Finalists: Ben Bishop (DAL), Robin Lehner (NYI), Andrei Vasilevskiy (TBL)

[Community]

As an islanders fan I’m absolutely happy for Lehner to be nominated!! It’s awsosme to see but he won’t win. Just doesn’t have enough games played.

He played the same games (less starts) as Bishop did this year so he might have a shot? Itll probably be Vasi though as he played more and had way more wins.

 

[Linnie The Pooh]

Bishop should and probably will win, but would love to see Lehner win.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Carey Price finished with essentially identical numbers (Prices are a hair better actually) and played 66 games.

So should Price win the Vezina?

Andersen had better advanced statistics but hard to argue with the 3 nominees if they were going to go with guys who didn’t play many games.

The voters were probably forced to go that route due to none of the guys with a lot of games played really standing out.

 

[Community]

Yes, probably if he played only the first 3/4 of the season he would’ve been nominated based on numbers.

Even if someone feels he could’ve garnered a nomination, the notion that he was flat out robbed (which was the post I responded to) which the numbers he finished with is ridiculous.

Agreed that he wasnt robbed, but he was still good enough to be useful to us in the last 15 games so I dont understand why him playing thr last 15 dropped his stock.

Its different than saying he needed to keep up his pace AND play 60 to get a nomination (He probably wouldve won if he did this).


Anyways, Ill digress because the 3 nominees were all great this year and deserve praise. Happy for Lehner bouncing back after all the summer issuds.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

out of the three i say give it to bishop

 

[Hennessy]

Lehner and Bishop didn't have the workload this season, and the obvious knock on Vasilevskiy is that he benefitted in the wins column from the team in front of him. I have no idea which of those three deserve it more.

 

[SI90]

He played the same games (less starts) as Bishop did this year so he might have a shot? Itll probably be Vasi though as he played more and had way more wins.

Vasilevsky definitely deserves it but I feel Bishop had the better numbers. Wins aren’t always a great indicator.

Vasilevsky- 53GP 2.40GAA .925 SV% 39Wins

Bishop- 46GP 1.98GAA .934 SV% 27Wins

Lehner - 46GP 2.13GAA .930 SV% 25 Wins


I actually didn’t realize Lehner was so close to both guys in Games player. Tied with Bishop.

Judging by SV% and GAA I think it’s a win for Bishop.

 

[Morgs]

Just doing this out of curiosity:

Rankings are based on the 50 goalies to play minimum 1500 minutes all situations:

FA/60 (Less unblocked shot attempts = highest ranking):
Andre Vasilevskiy - 20th
Robin Lehner - 25th
Ben Bishop - 30th

xGA (Less xGA = highest ranking):
AV - 25th
RL - 20th
BB - 23rd

SV%:
AV - 6th
RL - 3rd
BB - 1st

dSV% (difference between xSV and actual SV%):
AV - 15th
RL - 5th
BB - 1st

GSAA:
AV - 9th
RL - 4th
BB - 2nd

GSAA/30:
AV - 14th
RL - 5th
BB - 1st

I'd personally vote goalies as follows:
1. Ben Bishop
2. John Gibson
3. Robin Lehner
4. Jaroslav Halak
5. Jordan Binnington

Writers imo actually did a pretty good job for once.. as long as Vas doesn't win.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Ya, Freddy went kinda cold/had a thin defense thinned out in front of him down the stretch.

Anyway, 3 terrific choices. No complaints with any of them.

 

[Bleedred]

I'll admit that I'm a bit surprised to see Lehner as a nominee. His GAA, save percentage, and shutout totals are stellar, but he only played 46 games and had just 25 wins. That's got to be one of the lowest wins/games played totals for a Vezina nominee in recent history.

Lehner and Bishop are both the second lowest games played total for a top-3 Vezina final in at least the last 20 years or so (maybe more) in an 82 game season. I looked it up a while ago when it was suggested that Lehner and Bishop could win, which I said they likely wouldn't be a finalist due to games played. Both only played 46 games.

Even Vasilevskiy would have had a fairly low number of games played this year for a Vezina winner.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think it should be Lehner as he was the one who made the difference in lieu of Trotz and Korn, but I know it'll be Vasilevsky.

 

[SI90]

Just doing this out of curiosity:

Rankings are based on the 50 goalies to play minimum 1500 minutes all situations:

FA/60 (Less unblocked shot attempts = highest ranking):
Andre Vasilevskiy - 20th
Robin Lehner - 25th
Ben Bishop - 30th

xGA (Less xGA = highest ranking):
AV - 25th
RL - 20th
BB - 23rd

SV%:
AV - 6th
RL - 3rd
BB - 1st

dSV% (difference between xSV and actual SV%):
AV - 15th
RL - 5th
BB - 1st

GSAA:
AV - 9th
RL - 4th
BB - 2nd

GSAA/30:
AV - 14th
RL - 5th
BB - 1st

I'd personally vote goalies as follows:
1. Ben Bishop
2. John Gibson
3. Robin Lehner
4. Jordan Binnington
5. Andrei Vasilevskiy

Writers imo actually did a pretty good job for once.. as long as Vas doesn't win.

So does this say Lehner is a good goalie or not? Lol thanks.

 

[heretik27]

Freddie played 60 games compared to these guys 45. So they literally played 3/4 as much as him. So he would've been a Vezina candidate if he stopped playing 15 games earlier?

I think all three of these goalies were fantastic this year, but none of them playing 50 games and being the 3 nominees seems crazy to me.

Agreed.

Hellebuyck had 67 GP last season, Rinne 59, Vasilevskiy 65. Rinne ended up winning it. 50 games seems pretty low, Vasi played 53 which is still pretty meh.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Has to be Bishop.

Indeed

 

[Morgs]

So does this day Lehner is a good goalie or not? Lol thanks.

Yes, based on how I interpret goalie stats I have him as the 3rd best goalie in the league this season.

He really does have an argument for #2 though as Gibson's actual stats lag behind his underlying stats (which are so good because Anaheim was soooo bad defensively).

EDIT: And really anyone I have ranked in the Top-5 (Bishop, Gibson, Lehner, Halak, Binnington) all have a legit argument as the best goalie in the league this season. Don't think Vas belongs in the same conversation as those 5, and is more in the 2nd tier this season with Rinne/Markstrom/Murray/Andersen/Holtby.

 

[SI90]

Yes, based on how I interpret goalie stats I have him as the 3rd best goalie in the league this season.

He really does have an argument for #2 though as Gibson's actual stats lag behind his underlying stats (which are so good because Anaheim was soooo bad defensively).

Awesome! Thank you!

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Remember when Ottawa had both lehner and bishop?

I do

 

[josra33]

There should be a GP threshold. <50GP is ridiculous.

Kind of an arbitrary line. It’s over half of the season.

 

[Evincar]

I'll admit that I'm a bit surprised to see Lehner as a nominee. His GAA, save percentage, and shutout totals are stellar, but he only played 46 games and had just 25 wins. That's got to be one of the lowest wins/games played totals for a Vezina nominee in recent history.

Thats a good thing. Stopping pucks is always more important than Wins and Games played.

 

[Morgs]

You know, I don't think it's talked about enough that Greiss arguably had a better season than Lehner and only played 2 less games.

The weird thing too is that NYI was good/great defensively in front of them, but it's not even why their sv% are so high. They just both had legit amazing seasons and almost shared the minutes 50/50.

Is it weird I want to change my list for "best goalies this season" to:

1. Bishop
2. Gibson
3. Greiss
4. Lehner
5. Halak

???

 

[pomx]

Vasil wins easily

 

[RMimagery]

Psyched to see Lehner nominated. He deserved it.

I know it's for the reg season, but he just had one of the best playoff series for a G this century.

 

[ccman68]

Bishop himself has said that wins are the most important goalie stat. F

 

[ole ole]

Freddie played 60 games compared to these guys 45. So they literally played 3/4 as much as him. So he would've been a Vezina candidate if he stopped playing 15 games earlier?

I think all three of these goalies were fantastic this year, but none of them playing 50 games and being the 3 nominees seems crazy to me.

Always one in the crowd. Vez played 53 games

 

[Star Ocean]

I'll admit that I'm a bit surprised to see Lehner as a nominee. His GAA, save percentage, and shutout totals are stellar, but he only played 46 games and had just 25 wins. That's got to be one of the lowest wins/games played totals for a Vezina nominee in recent history.

And yet people want binnington to win calder with 32 games played. Don cherry says it was guarateed