Exactly. Page after page of defending the indefensible. I just don't get it. Why bother? I'm sorry but that is absurd. Timmins is not less at fault than the coaching and development staff. That's just not true. Timmins bears at least 50% responsibility and likely more for every 1st round fail. He drafted these players. You are a great poster and I love your research and dedication, but I have never agreed with your assertion that very good players can be greatly damaged by so called poor development, and mediocre players can be made much better by so called good development. I simply do not agree with this. I think the whole concept of 'player development' is a cliche with no basis in truth. If a guy is 18-20 and has played highly competitive hockey since age 5, he bloody well knows everything he has to do on and off the ice to succeed, or he does not. If he does not succeed, then he's likely dumb, or lazy , lacks skills, or strength, or some combination of these. All of these metrics can be known at the draft. If a player has the skill and the desire, they will motivate themselves and do the work that is required to make the NHL and succeed. Coaches have far less influence than you say. I simply do not agree with you on their influence. Finally, and the whole reason for my posting so many times and so vehemently on Timmins is this: The guy has almost 20 years experience in drafting. He has seen hundreds of prospects play, talked to hundreds of prospects, seen hundreds of games, seen hundreds of prospects fail and succeed, and why they failed and succeeded. And with all of that experience, he should be one of the most knowledgeable and successful scouts in the NHL. Like top 5 if not top 3. And he is clearly not. If Timmins had 5 years experience, I would cut him some slack. But he has about 20 years experience. It is for this reason that I cannot believe the excuses he is getting here. How much longer do you need? Another 5 years? I think you and some others are defending the indefensible. I can't understand. Are you agreeing or not? I believe he was saying that all of these so called victims of 'bad development' failed after leaving here also. It was a valid point. So another Timmins first round fail is OK because it was the 'right kind of pick', so he did well' Yeah OK. Scherbak is a bust that was just waived. That's what matters. Results. Not intentions. So if the draft is a 'crap shoot', which it is not by the way, why have scouts? Another classic meme here. Yeah it is. They're career minor leaguers. There . I said it. Easy. Not like the rest of them are Mensa candidates.