Travis Sanheim Discussion Thread Part Two

[Striiker]

It's hilarious that Hakstol superfans have stuck themselves in a position where they can't appreciate how good our young guys are.

Admitting how great they are is admitting how bad Hakstol is, which isn't an option. Sanheim is a perfect example of how bad Hakstol was.

 

[Striiker]

I think the issue is 1rhd. I think they are hoping Meyers once he gets his feet wet will be permanently paired with Provorov and then they can return Sanheim to play with Gudas and put Ghost with Morin and Hagg in the press box. Each pair has a good skater, puck mover and solid defender.

Ghost is a top pair RD.. so...

 

[NYCFlyer]

Ghost is a top pair RD.. so...

 

[NYCFlyer]

Ghost is a top pair RD.. so...

Maybe with the right partner. He played well with Provorov last year but poorly this year. But the bigger issue is the other D pairs. Cant keep Hagg/Gudas/Amac or potentially Morin on the same pair.

 

[mja]

Maybe with the right partner. He played well with Provorov last year but poorly this year. But the bigger issue is the other D pairs. Cant keep Hagg/Gudas/Amac or potentially Morin on the same pair.

Provorov Ghost
Sanheim Gudas
Morin Myers

We have the players. We just need to use them correctly.

 

[Striiker]

Maybe with the right partner. He played well with Provorov last year but poorly this year. But the bigger issue is the other D pairs. Cant keep Hagg/Gudas/Amac or potentially Morin on the same pair.

They literally played like 10 games together to start the year. It’s a completely meaningless sample size. Then after that Ghost has played with Hagg, MacDonald, and Folin...

The D pairs are easy.

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
Morin-Myers

 

[Rebels57]

I find it pretty amusing how different his utilization is pre-after 18th of Dec 2018.

Pre 18th DEC: ATOI 16:06 per game
18th DEC and on: ATOI 21:23 per game

How can 2 groups of coaching staff be so far from each other evaluation-wise?

Remember, Remember, the 18th of December.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Provorov-Sanheim
Ghost-Myers
Morin-Gudas

Is not nearly as good of a top 6 as I’m seeing bandied about. Talk about orange colored glasses.

Huge need for a stud #1. Then they’ll be good 2-6.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Provorov Ghost
Sanheim Gudas
Morin Myers

We have the players. We just need to use them correctly.

More important than correct usage is just usage. I haven't checked but that group might be the least experienced D group in the league. It's a tough position in the NHL and although they are talented and skilled enough in my opinion to be a Cup contending D they need way more experience including playoffs.

 

[mja]

More important than correct usage is just usage. I haven't checked but that group might be the least experienced D group in the league. It's a tough position in the NHL and although they are talented and skilled enough in my opinion to be a Cup contending D they need way more experience including playoffs.

It's an incredibly young defense, I get it, but just brining in an experienced hand because it's an incredibly young defense is the kind of perilous decision making that leads to guys like AMac getting signed to 5 year contracts. If you can land a guy who makes sense in regards to caphit, asset cost, and on ice impact, then sure, but there's still the ED to contend with, so you'd better be sure you're not pissing away young talent that's going to be experienced talent very soon just for the sake of some "experience" now.

 

[NYCFlyer]

They literally played like 10 games together to start the year. It’s a completely meaningless sample size. Then after that Ghost has played with Hagg, MacDonald, and Folin...

The D pairs are easy.

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
Morin-Myers

Certainly you have to be careful with small sample sizes. He could've been injured, have something going on off the ice who knows. However, rewatch some of those games, he was terrible and that was hardly meaningless as our record this year wi th h him on the first pair stunk. He had to be moved off. Although he might be able to recreate last years magic maybe teams figured out how to attack those two. I think moving Meyers to the 1st pair could make both the 1st and 3rd pair better. We have to see how they play together for a decent sampling.

 

[baudib1]

Hey how about

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
Morin-Myers

 

[baudib1]

Provorov-Sanheim
Ghost-Myers
Morin-Gudas

Is not nearly as good of a top 6 as I’m seeing bandied about. Talk about orange colored glasses.

Huge need for a stud #1. Then they’ll be good 2-6.

Look
If I become GM I swear to God I will trade for Spurgeon and Koivu to give you a RHD for the top pair and a capable middle 6 center as Patrick-Frost insurance. That precludes us getting Karlsson/Panarin but I just want you to feel secure.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Look
If I become GM I swear to God I will trade for Spurgeon and Koivu to give you a RHD for the top pair and a capable middle 6 center as Patrick-Frost insurance. That precludes us getting Karlsson/Panarin but I just want you to feel secure.

Odd post. You’re acting as if I don’t want to take care of those in free agency with Karlsson & one of the top 4 available centers.

 

[baudib1]

Odd post. You’re acting as if I don’t want to take care of those in free agency with Karlsson & one of the top 4 available centers.

I don't want one of the top 4 available centers.

 

[Striiker]

Certainly you have to be careful with small sample sizes. He could've been injured, have something going on off the ice who knows. However, rewatch some of those games, he was terrible and that was hardly meaningless as our record this year wi th h him on the first pair stunk. He had to be moved off. Although he might be able to recreate last years magic maybe teams figured out how to attack those two. I think moving Meyers to the 1st pair could make both the 1st and 3rd pair better. We have to see how they play together for a decent sampling.

1) Provorov was easily the worse of the two for the first half of the year
2) It wasn't left together long enough to judge anything
3) He didn't have to be moved off, far worse lines/pairs have been kept together for much longer on this team
4) If Ghost can't play on the top pair then Myers sure as f*** can't.

 

[baudib1]

Charlie O'Connor:
Flyers 4, Islanders 1: 10 things we learned from a...

The numbers say that he’s already high-end. By Evolving Wild’s Goals Above Replacement metric, Sanheim entered yesterday’s game with 11.0 GAR, easily leading the Flyers’ defense. In addition, that total ranked him tied for 19th in the league among defensemen, equal to Ryan McDonagh and just ahead of Colton Parayko. He’s 30th in 5-on-5 Points/60 at the position. Sanheim is 13th in RelTM impact on Expected Goal differential. This isn’t just a player receiving first-pair usage — this is a player performing like a legitimate first-pair defenseman in his second NHL season at age 22.

P%ssy nerd who got benched for Brandon Manning.

19th in GAR puts him in the top third of top-pair defensemen in the league.

 

[Curufinwe]

I would love to see Sanheim paired with Ghost at some point.

 

[flyersjim73]

If Provy, Ghost, Sanheim, Myers, Morin, and Gudas are the six players in the lineup, there are more good options than bad.

I can deal with however you want to split up the pairings if you put those six out there.

 

[Jtown]

What is troubling about sanheim is that he is playing so well, and that has not rubbed off on provorov who is still not a advanced stat darling. Provorov is a concern going forward

 

[Striiker]

I would love to see Sanheim paired with Ghost at some point.

Impossible, both are defensive liabilities, simply because of their scoring ability, and every pair requires at least one defensive defensemen.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

They should get gudas back with provy and rock sanheim-ghost or sanheim-myers as the top pair

 

[Curufinwe]

Sanheim before Wilson got put in charge of the D: 25 games, 6 points, 16:07 ATOI

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...ilter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

Afterwards - 41 games, 23 points, 20:36 ATOI

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...r=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists

Flyers Name Rick Wilson Assistant Coach

I can imagine the kind of conversations Wilson had with his old buddy Fletcher about how Hak had been handling the defense. No surprise that Hak was kicked out on his ear less than two weeks later.

 

[deadhead]

Sanheim isn't an advanced stat darling since he started to play with Provorov against top competition.
A short scoring streak doesn't change that.

Under Gordon
Sanheim - Corsi 47.26 SCF/SA/60, 24.7/25.8; HDCF/CA/60, 9.4/10.0
Provorov - Corsi 47.86 SCF/SA/60, 25.6/26.3; HDCF/CA/60, 10.6/9.8

Ghost - Corsi 51.59 SCF/SA/60, 27.1/25.9; HDCF/CA/60, 10.3/9.7
Gudas - Corsi 48.57 SCF/SA/60, 22.5/27.1; HDCF/CA/60, 9.3/9.9
MacDonald - Corsi 47.49 SCF/SA/60, 23.7/26.4; HDCF/CA/60, 10.2/8.9

Myers - Corsi 49.21 SCF/SA/60, 20.8/26.4; HDCF/CA/60, 9.5/12.4

Hagg - Corsi 41.90 SCF/SA/60, 23.0/34.3; HDCF/CA/60, 9.1/14.8

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't know how you can look at those numbers against top competition, see they're perfectly comparable to good dmen facing lesser competition, and proclaim he isn't an advanced stats darling.