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Prospect Info: Travis Dermott Upside
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leafsfuture
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Percy utter crap?
Finn and Schenn - yes..
The amount of crap Schenn gets is ridiculous
To compare him with Finn is the actual fail. Despite the fact that he supposedly sucks, he is still somehow in the NHL.
jrgtml67
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upside is huge, i feel he was the best d man on the marlies this year outside nielsen and valiev
this is just one reason why we shouldnt be so worried or in a rush to get a super star d man.
do I think JVR will be traded to more than likely ANA for a d, yes I do.
however many on these boards seem to keep saying well marner for blank I would do, it is a huge joke. our big 3 are going no where, you dont trade them in a rebuild you build around them, and trade from a position we are loaded on (the wing hence JVR)
so my guess is next season we have rielly, gards, zaits (dermott/nielsen) whoever we get for JVR in trade and then dpends if hunwick stays and so forth
this is just one reason why we shouldnt be so worried or in a rush to get a super star d man.
do I think JVR will be traded to more than likely ANA for a d, yes I do.
however many on these boards seem to keep saying well marner for blank I would do, it is a huge joke. our big 3 are going no where, you dont trade them in a rebuild you build around them, and trade from a position we are loaded on (the wing hence JVR)
so my guess is next season we have rielly, gards, zaits (dermott/nielsen) whoever we get for JVR in trade and then dpends if hunwick stays and so forth
jrgtml67
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he was clearly better than those 2, he was the marlies best dman this season period. He got the toughest minutes and matchups. Nielsen and Valiev aren't close to Dermott at all, Nielsen will need considerable improvement to even see an NHL game you cant just look at points for him, his skating and defensive reads/play are not good
jrgtml67
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i agree he was by far best, but to say Nielsen is far away i do not agree at all. He was top point getter for marlies dcore and played along side dermott in the playoffs. He actually nearly made the leafs out of camp this past season and i think would have if we didnt already have 100 rookies...aka no need to rush. Nielsen also possess' what we are missing a bomb of a shot AND with Polak's injury i think the leafs may let him go (prior he was great all year but this injury is bad)
and again i do agree dermott was the best d. and has the best chance of cracking our lineup, im just adding I think Nielsen may as well, then again maybe Calle Rosen
yeah Rosen signing adds the big bomb shot also. I just think Nielsen's skating needs serious work, without it he could be a 3rd pair PP specialist sure but to compare to dermott he needs to become at least a top4 Dman, dermott IMO can be in the leafs top4 by the end of next season. They will start him on the 3rd pair and he will force babs hand to move him up
jrgtml67
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babs protects his youth, he wont put him in a position to fail, we have a lot of d that could be on the out
carrick, hunny, polak (which is too bad he really played well) god willing the goat marincin
so say 3 spots, 1 taken by the d we get in a trade with JVR, so 2 BUT that is only if they decide to let hunwick go, if we keep him that leaves 1
jrgtml67
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also depends on the camp he has right, early on i think he will flourish playing against mostly ahl guys, where it counts is near the end when its more NHL lineups, if he can do what we know he can he is in
Duffman955
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Percy was a hell of a defenseman. I thought he played like a real leader, good on all 200 ft of the ice. Too bad for injuries.
I see Dermott in a similar mold, but maybe without the leadership.
Nielsen is a couple years away. He played 3rd pairing for the last half of the season and the playoffs.
Ya his point totals are good but there is a lot more areas of the game that he needs to work on
I honestly think if he could skate everything would fall into place for him.
firstemperor
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I was never really high on Percy even when you had posters on here suggesting letting him go was analogous to Stralman 2.0 (And I was one of the bigger Stralman supporters during his time here). But I am a big supporter of Leivo (obviously not to the degree of Stralman).
Stralman's skating was magnificent to watch (effortless, great on edges, he had top-tier NHL qualities to him) and Percy's skating was always on the other extreme. Stralman was already beginning to show flashes of high hockey-IQ (kind of like Gunnarson had in his time here) but clearly, over the years, he really made it consistent and even developed a edge and physicality to his game that has now made him into a upper-echelon #2 calibre d-man in this league.
Conversely, Percy's bread and butter in junior was as a PMD but his skating at the NHL level was no where adequate enough to be anywhere near as effective as in juniors. He never had top tier NHL skills like Stralman did. He also wasn't very dynamic so he would had to evolve into a very good defensive d-men with adequate (but not great) puck-moving skills to make up for it. Which didn't happen, guys like Loov and Valiev, who are nothing special themselves looked far better than him defensively to end his run here with the Marlies.
Re: Dermott- I was one of his biggest supporters since he was drafted. Even when posters on here, for some reason, majority voted that Bracco was the superior prospect, despite being picked much lower (which has somewhat, left a negative impression on me to this day).
However, people overshoot what he's going to become. The Rielly comparisons are off, Rielly was a #5 pick for a reason and will very likely always be a far superior PMD than Dermott. He also has a dynamic element to his game that I've never seen from Dermott going back to junior. Other #4's in the NHL right now, say a Vatanen, also have very dynamic elements to their game that Dermott simply doesn't have. Dermott's bread and butter will be more of a safe, mobile defense-man who's strength will really need to come from skating and his play in the defensive zone.
His skating is a lot better than Percy's so it is unlikely he busts out to that extreme. Right now, he's probably adequate to be a #5, low-end PMD type. But he really needs another year of grooming in the AHL- as Babcock has said, he needs to dominate that league before he steps up and he really hasn't come close yet. My hope is he can become a poor man's Dan Hamhuis type long-term but he has a long ways to go.
Stralman's skating was magnificent to watch (effortless, great on edges, he had top-tier NHL qualities to him) and Percy's skating was always on the other extreme. Stralman was already beginning to show flashes of high hockey-IQ (kind of like Gunnarson had in his time here) but clearly, over the years, he really made it consistent and even developed a edge and physicality to his game that has now made him into a upper-echelon #2 calibre d-man in this league.
Conversely, Percy's bread and butter in junior was as a PMD but his skating at the NHL level was no where adequate enough to be anywhere near as effective as in juniors. He never had top tier NHL skills like Stralman did. He also wasn't very dynamic so he would had to evolve into a very good defensive d-men with adequate (but not great) puck-moving skills to make up for it. Which didn't happen, guys like Loov and Valiev, who are nothing special themselves looked far better than him defensively to end his run here with the Marlies.
Re: Dermott- I was one of his biggest supporters since he was drafted. Even when posters on here, for some reason, majority voted that Bracco was the superior prospect, despite being picked much lower (which has somewhat, left a negative impression on me to this day).
However, people overshoot what he's going to become. The Rielly comparisons are off, Rielly was a #5 pick for a reason and will very likely always be a far superior PMD than Dermott. He also has a dynamic element to his game that I've never seen from Dermott going back to junior. Other #4's in the NHL right now, say a Vatanen, also have very dynamic elements to their game that Dermott simply doesn't have. Dermott's bread and butter will be more of a safe, mobile defense-man who's strength will really need to come from skating and his play in the defensive zone.
His skating is a lot better than Percy's so it is unlikely he busts out to that extreme. Right now, he's probably adequate to be a #5, low-end PMD type. But he really needs another year of grooming in the AHL- as Babcock has said, he needs to dominate that league before he steps up and he really hasn't come close yet. My hope is he can become a poor man's Dan Hamhuis type long-term but he has a long ways to go.
Nothing against Percy personally, but I never knew what the Leafs saw in him to draft him.
I attended the junior games and he certainly didn't stand out at all. I think Burke's limited himself to the GTA, going anywhere else was too much work and settled for Percy and Biggs in that draft.
Dermot seem to have the skills needed to be an AHLer...skating and puck handling. We'll see how he does with decision making on a higher speed when he comes to the NHL. I think he'll do just fine.
I attended the junior games and he certainly didn't stand out at all. I think Burke's limited himself to the GTA, going anywhere else was too much work and settled for Percy and Biggs in that draft.
Dermot seem to have the skills needed to be an AHLer...skating and puck handling. We'll see how he does with decision making on a higher speed when he comes to the NHL. I think he'll do just fine.
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Guy's quite the little general back there. He seems like a lower end, but slightly more physical Morgan Rielly, at least he played in that capacity down in the AHL.
therealkoho
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just wondering and it's a serious question, how many Marlie games did you attend this past season?
No one should question me whether I have seen him playing, as I have been watching him since 2012 (playing for Newmarket in OJHL) and since then he has transformed himself into a legit 2 way "D", he is responsible in his own zone and can even create offense - he is not your typical 1st pairing "D" and I believe never going to be but he going to be legit NHLer and is going to be a 2nd pairing "D" with PK and PP skills
Critical13
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therealkoho
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For whatever reason, your avatar compliments this comment perfectly.
Gary seems to be saying "Hmm? Yes?".
Ju ville try, but ju ville no get ze anzerz. Now, pazz se borscht!!!!
Still would be thrilled if Dermott turns into a 4-5 dman for us.
Meant to say 3-4 d-man , as I said on my post on page 2.
....... Now, don't question me!!!!!
i've watched the marlies he is not a top 4 dman on any team in the NHL yet. Let alone ours. Who in our current top 4 is he replacing? Rielly, Gardiner on the left side? Nope. Zaitsev? Nope? At this point I'm not sure if I'd trust him more than Carrick. He has to come into camp and prove he can play up here. He will be an NHL defenseman for sure but he's not a top 4 guy. We have to be realistic.
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