Rumor: Trade rumours/Proposals 2018-2019 (Part 10)

[topshelf15]

This whole damn thing sucks,who the hell is going to score for this team???We all know we will get few late 1st,s and a couple of meh prospects...None of whom will come close to the level of the players we are moving,this rebuild is going to take years

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

This whole damn thing sucks,who the hell is going to score for this team???We all know we will get few late 1st,s and a couple of meh prospects...None of whom will come close to the level of the players we are moving,this rebuild is going to take years

Batherson, Chucky, Chlapik, Chabot, etc

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Stone isn’t gone yet and the key difference is Chabot and Tkachuk will be RFAs and much younger. They had no problems signing players after their ELCs before.

The league is becoming one where you pay the stars right out of their ELC. Will be interesting to see what Chabot is looking for

 

[topshelf15]

Batherson, Chucky, Chlapik, etc

That cant be good for these guys,they are just too young

 

[topshelf15]

The league is becoming one where you pay the stars right out of their ELC. Will be interesting to see what Chabot is looking for

5 years and a ton of bonus money up front ,like Matthews....After watching what his GM and owner have done with other high profile players for this team...I wouldnt be giving them any deals

 

[Peptic Balcers]

5 years and a ton of bonus money up front ,like Matthews....After watching what his GM and owner have done with other high profile players for this team...I wouldnt be giving them any deals

Right on, shouldn't be a problem

 

[Alex1234]

Batherson, Chucky, Chlapik, Chabot, etc

Against Stamkos,Kucherov,Point,Hedman,etc

 

[topshelf15]

Right on, shouldn't be a problem

Yep,kills two birds with one stone...You will get your money and likely it will be with a team that actually is trying to win,when you are traded

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Against Stamkos,Kucherov,Point,Hedman,etc

Those guys will be over the hill in two years.

 

[TCB]

Tbh I'd rather not wait too long to trade them. Interest might falter and the offers may get worse.

Or other teams may move on in the fear of losing out on others and not only on Stone and Duchene.

I mean if another team comes calling, eventually the teams who are interested in Stone/Duchenee are going to have to consider it.

 

[HSF]

Sens aren't signing stone


They just want ppl to think we can still sign stone and therefore force someone's itchy trigger finger ie Winnipeg

 

[BatherSeason]

Sens aren't signing stone


They just want ppl to think we can still sign stone and therefore force someone's itchy trigger finger ie Winnipeg

Wasn't it just last week that Stone was put on the back burner and the the was completely focused on Duchene? The Stone negotiations were not going anywhere and all the "insiders" said how it wasn't gonna happen with Stone. Then within 7 days things completely changed?? It's all a load of crap to drive prices and to try temper than fanbase outrage.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

A word that caught me in the description of Sens re-opening contract talks with Stone was that they were going to get "creative".

What does that mean?

Could we see something like a 2-3 year contract at a huge over-payment money wise, like max salary?

Gives Stone a chance to evaluate Ottawa's rebuild, Ottawa won't have a way to spend that money anyways with Duchene, Dzingel, Ceci, Anderson, etc all being traded. Sets Stone up to sign a more appropriate AAV 8 year contract at the age of 30 and the beginning of our supposed run for success.

I still don't understand why we don't just pay this one player the lockout bonuses on a regular 8 year contract. It's the cost of doing business right now, and if the Senators expect fans to buy in, they need to retain Stone. The can let everybody else go, but retaining Stone is an investment that has to be made if the Senators expect to sell fans on the team in short term via season tickets, and have the fans buy in to the long term strategic plans that Melnyk and co outlined in Toronto a few weeks back.

 

[Beville]

Guarantee the return for Duchene will be shite now that we’ve said he’s available:

Mark my words.

 

[BondraTime]

Guarantee the return for Duchene will be ****e now that we’ve said he’s available:

Mark my words.

I mean, what else are they going to say, teams are going to know he's available regardless

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Wasn't it just last week that Stone was put on the back burner and the the was completely focused on Duchene? The Stone negotiations were not going anywhere and all the "insiders" said how it wasn't gonna happen with Stone. Then within 7 days things completely changed?? It's all a load of crap to drive prices and to try temper than fanbase outrage.

Most of the reliable insiders like Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Friedman have used disclaimers over anything they've said stating that this is a fluid situation, things will change, etc. They've very much characterized it as a situation where it looked like Stone and Duchene were gone, but again with the disclaimer that things could change very quickly.

I think it's plausible that they've started exploring the trade market on Stone, and want to make one last effort at retaining him before dealing him. It's not as if nothing was going on this week with the entirety of the Senators top management in Winnipeg. Unless it's a coincidence, and the Senators plan to give that same treatment to Nashville, Calgary, etc, it looks very much like Winnipeg might be a preferred destination for Stone or Duchene, and the ground work for something was being worked on trade wise.

 

[QuattroFTW]

Guarantee the return for Duchene will be ****e now that we’ve said he’s available:

Mark my words.

Dorion wouldn’t get us a good return regardless

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Guarantee the return for Duchene will be ****e now that we’ve said he’s available:

Mark my words.

That doesn’t really make much sense. How do you trade him if teams don’t know he’s available? This doesn’t affect the return.

 

[Xspyrit]

The point still applies though. One day we'll be in a similar position again, and how can we have faith it'll be any different when that time comes.

One day, Melnyk will sell the team, the problem is when? Of course, the sooner the better but no choice to stay patient and wait for it. In the meanwhile, the best scenario would be a partner who will eventually become the only owner. Melnyk wants to have the best ROI as possible; my hypothesis is that he is in the process of a financial purge to fix his cash flow problem while paying the debt; and by the time it’s fixed, Lebreton will be on it’s way to happen. It’s a business financial straightening. In many type of businesses it wouldn’t matter but in this case, there’s the us the fans, who are not currently a priority

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Most of the reliable insiders like Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Friedman have used disclaimers over anything they've said stating that this is a fluid situation, things will change, etc. They've very much characterized it as a situation where it looked like Stone and Duchene were gone, but again with the disclaimer that things could change very quickly.

I think it's plausible that they've started exploring the trade market on Stone, and want to make one last effort at retaining him before dealing him. It's not as if nothing was going on this week with the entirety of the Senators top management in Winnipeg. Unless it's a coincidence, and the Senators plan to give that same treatment to Nashville, Calgary, etc, it looks very much like Winnipeg might be a preferred destination for Stone or Duchene, and the ground work for something was being worked on trade wise.

Dorion's in over his head, and instead of focusing on manageable tasks, he's trying to do it all and outwit the sharks, not realizing he jumped into the water with the bucket of chum and doesn't have a way to get back onto the boat.

 

[5ive4Fighting]

A word that caught me in the description of Sens re-opening contract talks with Stone was that they were going to get "creative".

What does that mean?

Could we see something like a 2-3 year contract at a huge over-payment money wise, like max salary?

Gives Stone a chance to evaluate Ottawa's rebuild, Ottawa won't have a way to spend that money anyways with Duchene, Dzingel, Ceci, Anderson, etc all being traded. Sets Stone up to sign a more appropriate AAV 8 year contract at the age of 30 and the beginning of our supposed run for success.

I still don't understand why we don't just pay this one player the lockout bonuses on a regular 8 year contract. It's the cost of doing business right now, and if the Senators expect fans to buy in, they need to retain Stone. The can let everybody else go, but retaining Stone is an investment that has to be made if the Senators expect to sell fans on the team in short term via season tickets, and have the fans buy in to the long term strategic plans that Melnyk and co outlined in Toronto a few weeks back.

If I were management, here or in any other smaller market, I would worry about setting a precedent against which future contract offers would be assessed. If Stone now, why not Chabot, Tkachuk etc. when the time comes? Many clubs just can’t afford to do business this way, and shoot themselves in the foot by normalizing it at a time of pressure or desperation. The Matthews etc. style contracts are a distortion of a labour market that most clubs can’t afford. I think it requires longer term thinking and a banding together of sorts of the non-powerhouse organizations to force some limits through the next CBA, even if it means short term pain.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

So, are we going to move Duchene to Nashville over the next few days in order to up the pressure on the Jets to offer us something reasonable for Stone?

If it's true that Tolvanen's name is out there as a player Nashville would move, and we manage to get him and a 1st along with another conditional pick based on Duchene re-signing, that's probably a home run for a rental, even if it pales in comparison to what we gave up for Duchene.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

If I were management, here or in any other smaller market, I would worry about setting a precedent against which future contract offers would be assessed. If Stone now, why not Chabot, Tkachuk etc. when the time comes? Many clubs just can’t afford to do business this way, and shoot themselves in the foot by normalizing it at a time of pressure or desperation. The Matthews etc. style contracts are a distortion of a labour market that most clubs can’t afford. I think it requires longer term thinking and a banding together of sorts of the non-powerhouse organizations to force some limits through the next CBA, even if it means short term pain.

You are right in theory, but consider two things...

1) Chabot and Tkachuk won't be negotiating their big RFA contracts for at least 5+ seasons. At least when looking at the same team, it's typical not kosher for an RFA to point to a UFA contract as a comparable for structure.

2) The next CBA discussions will almost certainly address this signing bonus issue, possibly closing them for good, or severely limiting them. White is our only big UFA who HAS to be signed before the CBA change (although it'd be a good idea to lock Chabot up ASAP), and White isn't in a position to ask for that kind of contract as an RFA.

It should be looked at like this. Stone is the one time we'll probably have to do this. The club has dug themselves into such a hole, that retaining Stone by any means possible is paramount to fans buying into the strategic plans that were outlined by Melnyk a few weeks ago in Toronto. As of now, Melnyk and the management associated with him have no credibility. They need to sign Stone as an investment in rebuilding that credibility with their stakeholders or else any future plans will fall flat due to a complete lack of buy in from those stakeholders.

 

[Flamingo]

If I were management, here or in any other smaller market, I would worry about setting a precedent against which future contract offers would be assessed. If Stone now, why not Chabot, Tkachuk etc. when the time comes? Many clubs just can’t afford to do business this way, and shoot themselves in the foot by normalizing it at a time of pressure or desperation. The Matthews etc. style contracts are a distortion of a labour market that most clubs can’t afford. I think it requires longer term thinking and a banding together of sorts of the non-powerhouse organizations to force some limits through the next CBA, even if it means short term pain.

I'm in favour of a lockout to make the teams doling out generous bonus-laden contracts pay. Plus, it burns a year of the Senators being uncompetitive. We lost a year of our glory to a lockout. Let's lose a year of misery. Let the Leafs and Bolts lose a year of their heyday this time.

Mostly tongue-in-cheek, but I don't feel too bad about that possibility.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Wasn't it just last week that Stone was put on the back burner and the the was completely focused on Duchene? The Stone negotiations were not going anywhere and all the "insiders" said how it wasn't gonna happen with Stone. Then within 7 days things completely changed?? It's all a load of crap to drive prices and to try temper than fanbase outrage.

I think it has more to do with the media speculating and taking every grain of information and milking it to death.

None of it means anything. The only people who really know what's going on are those directly involved.

Of course I think the tea leaves were there to be read months ago.