Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Part XXXI

[Micklebot]

Benn had much much less PP time. Total PP time plays a big role in how many PP points you put up.

He also had Trevor Daley and ? instead of Robidas and Goligoski on the PP.

The second Dman on his PP unit was usually Souray or Goglioski (39% of the time each).

Here are there primary PP pairings,
STEPHANE ROBIDAS ALEX GOLIGOSKI 31.28%
TREVOR DALEY ALEX GOLIGOSKI 15.72%
TREVOR DALEY SHELDON SOURAY 13.19%
STEPHANE ROBIDAS SHELDON SOURAY 10.23%

That represents over 70% of the Teams PP TOI

Ott was Benn's #1.

Spezza spent more of his ice time with Greening than Benn did with Ott. Just because Spezza's linemates were more consistant doesn't make them better.

Benn on the other hand spent about the same amount of time with Ott (51%), Eriksson(47%) and Ryder (47%). Daily (35%) was on about the same as Robidas (31%) and Souray (29% these two were usually together) and followed by Goglioski at 28%. Unlike Ottawa, Dalas had depth at offensive defencemen.

Michalek was Spezza #1. He hardly played with Butler at all. It was pretty much Greening - Spezza - Michalek the whole season.

Butler was with Spezza about 20% of his ES time. Not insignificant., but again, more consistant line mates isn't necessarily better line mates.

Spezza also had Erik Karlsson as a top linemate, which you conveniently forget. It's like having an extra 1st line winger. Seems like you conveniently forget a lot of things.

Refer back to my point about Depth on D. Otherwise, I've admitted Spezza benefits from Karlsson.

Finally, Benn's Pts/ice time > Spezza's.

That's fair, but I still contest your argument about better line mates.

 

[Beville]

that's a great name

They've had some filthy uniforms in the past...

 

[Shanny]

Yandle most likely to end up in Colorado imo, could also see a trade based around Gagner and Rundblad on the table..

also; Per garrioch:

‏@SunGarrioch

The Senators are looking for D but don't think they'll rush into anything. Want to see what they've got

 

[Deku]

They've had some filthy uniforms in the past...

Found these in NHL 12:

 

[PatrickEaves]

DaCosta plus for Yandle?

You wish. It would probably take Michalek.

 

[WhiteLight*]

The second Dman on his PP unit was usually Souray or Goglioski (39% of the time each).

Here are there primary PP pairings,
STEPHANE ROBIDAS ALEX GOLIGOSKI 31.28%
TREVOR DALEY ALEX GOLIGOSKI 15.72%
TREVOR DALEY SHELDON SOURAY 13.19%
STEPHANE ROBIDAS SHELDON SOURAY 10.23%

That represents over 70% of the Teams PP TOI


Spezza spent more of his ice time with Greening than Benn did with Ott. Just because Spezza's linemates were more consistant doesn't make them better.

Benn on the other hand spent about the same amount of time with Ott (51%), Eriksson(47%) and Ryder (47%). Daily (35%) was on about the same as Robidas (31%) and Souray (29% these two were usually together) and followed by Goglioski at 28%. Unlike Ottawa, Dalas had depth at offensive defencemen.

Butler was with Spezza about 20% of his ES time. Not insignificant., but again, more consistant line mates isn't necessarily better line mates.


Refer back to my point about Depth on D. Otherwise, I've admitted Spezza benefits from Karlsson.



That's fair, but I still contest your argument about better line mates.

When Benn wasn't with Eriksson and Ryder, he was with Burish, Fiddler, Nystrom and other crap.... Spezza had better linemates for the most part and they were consistent, which helps to build chemistry.


Also, Benn spent 80% of his PP time with Daley. Souray and Goligoski 39% of the time each.

He was clearly on the 2nd unit.

Also, Eriksson/Dallas are crap on the PP.


No surprise Benn's production mostly came 5-on-5, where he beats Spezza in Pts/ice time with no Karlsson back there.





None of this is even mentioning Benn's all around game and being 6 years younger.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Schubert plays for Hamburg Freezers (DEL)

Wow. Once a NHL player, now a frozen hamburger. Such is life.

 

[BeerandHockey]

Found these in NHL 12:

MS PAINT Jerseys FTW!

 

[Tremblay31]

MS PAINT Jerseys FTW!

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Tomas Hickey has been waived. Some team will surely take a look at him. Jordan Hendry is the only name I could see us bothering to claim.

 

[GoSensGo6172]

Hickey could be interesting but he really hasn't done a thing at the NHL level since being drafted.

 

[Hutz]

Schubert plays for Hamburg Freezers (DEL)

Should ask him about Jamie Benn.

 

[Beville]

YES HICKEY!

He's a beast on Chell 12...

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Hickey could be interesting but he really hasn't done a thing at the NHL level since being drafted.

Yes, especially considering he hasn't played a single NHL game yet. Like Wiercioch, I believe his game will translate better to the NHL rather than AHL but its pretty clear this guy will never live up to his draft status. This was a terrible pick at the time and now in hindsight. Imagine LA if they had taken Alzner instead of Hickey and Myers instead of Teubert.

 

[SixthSens]

I think we discussed this in the summer but what about going after Jason Demers?

 

[Benjamin]

What would the price be for Demers? Im assuming they want a roster player. Greening?

 

[GK]

Found these in NHL 12:

Good times.


I'd take a look at Hickey, unless we have something else in mind already.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Yandle will end up in Boston

Yes to Hickey!! He can be our Brian Lee replacement.

 

[General Granny*]

Yandle to Colorado makes too much sense seeing how they are having trouble signing Oreilly.

 

[Benjamin]

Yandle will end up in Boston

Yes to Hickey!! He can be our Brian Lee replacement.

Hickey looks like a 10 year old!?!?

 

[Micklebot]

When Benn wasn't with Eriksson and Ryder, he was with Burish, Fiddler, Nystrom and other crap.... Spezza had better linemates for the most part and they were consistent, which helps to build chemistry.

Nystrom... Fidler? Jesus, he played < 6 minutes with Fidler at ES. Come on... At least he had 28 mins with Nystrom, but stop grasping at straws. I'll give you Burrish, but I think Spezza's time with Butler more than makes up for that.

Also, Benn spent 80% of his PP time with Daley. Souray and Goligoski 39% of the time each.

He was clearly on the 2nd unit.

Yes, because the pairings were Daley with Souray, and Daley with Goligoski.
He spent some time both units, though more on the second. The most frequent PP with him on it way Ryder, Eriksson and Benn. His second most frequent line mate on the PP were Ott and Eriksson, which was probably the result of Eriksson being double shifted.

Also, Eriksson/Dallas are crap on the PP.

Chicken or the egg?

No surprise Benn's production mostly came 5-on-5, where he beats Spezza in Pts/ice time with no Karlsson back there.





None of this is even mentioning Benn's all around game and being 6 years younger.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Nystrom... Fidler? Jesus, he played < 6 minutes with Fidler at ES. Come on... At least he had 28 mins with Nystrom, but stop grasping at straws. I'll give you Burrish, but I think Spezza's time with Butler more than makes up for that.

Yes, because the pairings were Daley with Souray, and Daley with Goligoski.
He spent some time both units, though more on the second. The most frequent PP with him on it way Ryder, Eriksson and Benn. His second most frequent line mate on the PP were Ott and Eriksson, which was probably the result of Eriksson being double shifted.

Chicken or the egg?

My point is, he played half the season with legit top 6 wingers (Eriksson/Ryder, 47% of the time each) and the other half with Ott and crap.

For arguments sake let's say that = Michalek and Greening.

Spezza had a superior supporting cast out side that (Karlsson).

So I don't really know what your point is.



Goligoski = 1st PP unit.

Benn spent 39% of his time with Goligoski, and I'd bet a bunch of that was a result of double shifting for Goli.

Goligoski and Robidas got the most PP time among D-men. They were the 1st unit. Daley was NOT on the 1st unit, or at least very little. Since Benn spent 80% of time with Daley, I think that's a good estimation of the time he spent on unit 2 (both Daley and Benn prolly got little stints on unit 1, I'd guess 20% of their PP time).

Benn was #5 on Dallas for forwards in PP time per game. 2nd unit.


Eriksson had a grand total of 12 PP points in 82 games. Ryder had 10 in 82 games.
Benn had more points/ice time than both, a good deal more. Much better on the PP than either of them. Daley isn't exactly a natural PP quarterback either, right?

You're crazy if you think Dallas' PP didn't hurt Benn's production.



Dallas had THE worst PP in the league. And no that's not the result of 1 player that was 7th in ice time per game.

 

[BonkTastic]

Yandle will end up in Boston

Yes to Hickey!! He can be our Brian Lee replacement.

Hickey looks like a 10 year old!?!?

Close. Plays like a 10 year old.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Blaming Benn for Dallas' bad PP wow

 

[Stylizer1]

Would you?


Kessel

for

Zibby & a 1st

Seeing as we have quite a stock pile of talent at this point and with Alfie's retirement on the horizon, would it not be good to get a proven goal scorer to sure up our offence?

We have a lot of young talent but none who are top line ready for the immediate future. With maybe only Silfverberg being the only exception would you go for Kessel?