Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread XX

[Treb]

Come on now, that’s not valid. I can offer a high end escort a hundred bucks for services, but I doubt I’ll get much of a response...But I can say I tried after and that’s what counts for many in the new “everyone gets a trophy for participating” era.

If you say so.

 

[Omar]

This looks good only if the prospects pan out to the top of their potential. Habs looked promising with Koivu, Higgins, Kostitsyn, Latendresse, Grabovski, Perezhogin, Plekanec, Ryder ++ ...

They were never ranked this high in their prospect pool though.

 

[EquabaleAce]

Montreal trades Paul Byron and Noah Juulsen to Calgary for TJ Brodie and Michael Frolik.

Calgary fends off offer sheets to Matthew Tkachuk by freeing up more than $5M in cap space, giving them about $10M to work with. They re-acquire Byron to play top 9 and PK, add speed, secondary scoring. At $3.4 M for 4 more years, the Flames gain cost certainty. They add Juulsen, who slots in on the 3rd pair and gives them another young, cost certain player that they have team control over.

Flames give up 2 UFAs in Brodie and Frolik. Frolik fell out of favour under Peters, playing around 13min a night. He's likely the first to go when Tkachuk gets signed as he's too expensive for that role. Brodie is a UFA and with the expansion draft coming, one of Hanafin, Giordano, Hamonic, or Brodie would be likely left exposed. Allows Calgary to get ahead of this and start turning over the D to Andersen, Valimaki, Juulsen, etc.

Montreal gets a true top 4 LHD that is mobile and can play big minutes. I know he's more comfortable on the right side but this proposal banks on the Canadiens pro scouts determining that Brodie can play at a high level on the left side. Frolik is a negative asset in the trade due to his cap hit but likely fills a top 9 or depth role just fine for one year.

If Brodie works out you can sign long term and keep team control. Same with Frolik, really, though he's likely to have to take a paycut, whereas Brodie would see a significant raise.

Flames clear cap space, allowing them to sign/match Matt Tkachuk up to $10M, gaining 2 players under team control. Montreal gets the best player (on an expiring contract) and cap flexibility.

I like the idea of this trade as a pre-emptive move made to insulate the Flames against an offer sheet. But it could work in the 7 days after an offer sheet is signed as well.

That’s a pretty good offer, value wise, but, Brodie shoots left but plays RD. The flames played him on the left side with Hamilton and he stunk.
I also think the D is finished for the summer. What we see is what we get.
The up front portion is basically a wash except Byron is on a very good deal for a multiple time 20 goal scorer and all he brings.
We lose all the cost certainty with the value contracts for a one year upgrade on our 3rd pair of d.
Those assets would be better packaged to a clear upgrade up front in Shaw’s old spot, a guy with 30 goal potential.

I propose using those two and adding a boom or bust RW prospect and a mid pick for Nikolaj Ehlers. The jets need ready players for their win now mode at lower salaries.
They need help on d - Juulsen top 4 upside
They need RW prospects - Ikonen has top six upside if he hits
They’ll need to replace some of Ehlers scoring - Byron at 3.4 for 20 goals and his pk is good value
The pick is where I get stuck, what is Ehlers potential now that he is entering his prime?

 

[Michelangelo]

They were never ranked this high in their prospect pool though.

Yes they were

For years, our farm system was ranked top 3-top 5. Even here, on hockeysfuture.

 

[FF de Mars]

July 28 is Parise's bday, he's now 35. What's the status on Parise? Can he retire before 2024? He says he wants to win, maybe the habs could trade for him, eat-his-salary-trade during the season or at the deadline to a contender if he agrees to retire after winning the cup or something. He's the perfect "dutch boy to put his finger in the dyke", to paraphrase the band Crass, in Big A Little a. You could even keep him, 60 points a season last year and 7.5M on the mass, he's bound to rebound maybe. It depens if he retires or not and when, he turned 35 today.

 

[the]

Yes they were

For years, our farm system was ranked top 3-top 5. Even here, on hockeysfuture.

I remember we were ranked 2nd and we were blowing up the league during the 2007-2008 season. We had just won the Calder Cup and we had a promising future.

I could almost feel the Cup during that timeframe.

 

[FF de Mars]

I remember we were ranked 2nd and we were blowing up the league during the 2007-2008 season. We had just won the Calder Cup and we had a promising future, I could almost feel the Cup during that timeframe.

The big fail with the Habs management has been lack of vision; whereas they missed the boat too many times; all out of pride. I can only think of trading Markov, Koivu, Komisarek; all at the right time would have garned massive assets, and higher draft picks to build on. Habs religious say it's because UFAs don't like Montréal. UFAs are wives, the religious Habs type is just mad.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

We need a Kreider type player.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If you say so.

To be fair to the other guy, that offer by Bergevin was weak.

 

[sampollock]

All kidding aside, MB has not addressed PP

 

[JianYang]

I remember we were ranked 2nd and we were blowing up the league during the 2007-2008 season. We had just won the Calder Cup and we had a promising future.

I could almost feel the Cup during that timeframe.

Pretty sure the habs were ranked first around that time.

07/08 was a great time. The team was doing great, and the pipeline looked strong. In 09, the team collapsed, and gainey did a massive cleansing:

Out: kovalev, koivu, komisarek, Tanguay, Lang

In: Cammalleri, gionta, Moen, gill, spacek, gomez

The farm was degraded by trading Grabovski for what amounted to be nothing, and McDonagh for what amounted to be nothing as well lol. The Kostitsyns didn't quite materialize, so what the habs ended up having in terms of high end prospects was from the 2007 draft class only.

The failure of that prospect pool was a combination of busts and poor trades, but even at the peak of the habs prospect pool, there still remained a glaring hole in that #1 C position.

Today's pool down the middle does have more promise than that one.

 

[the]

Pretty sure the habs were ranked first around that time.

07/08 was a great time. The team was doing great, and the pipeline looked strong. In 09, the team collapsed, and gainey did a massive cleansing:

Out: kovalev, koivu, komisarek, Tanguay, Lang

In: Cammalleri, gionta, Moen, gill, spacek, gomez

The farm was degraded by trading Grabovski for what amounted to be nothing, and McDonagh for what amounted to be nothing as well lol. The Kostitsyns didn't quite materialize, so what the habs ended up having in terms of high end prospects was from the 2007 draft class only.

The failure of that prospect pool was a combination of busts and poor trades, but even at the peak of the habs prospect pool, there still remained a glaring hole in that #1 C position.

Today's pool down the middle does have more promise than that one.

I was looking at this list today and became nostalgic.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10521/canadiens_top20_prospects_fall2008/

Add to this list Plekanec, Higgins, A.Kostitsyn, Latendresse who were all still young and you had a very good young core. Even if not all of them panned out like promised it’s crazy to see how many had decent NHL careers.

Center
Plekanec: Low tier #1 C
Grabovski: #2 C
Lapierre: #3 C
Chipchura: #4 C

LW
Pacioretty: 1st line winger
A.Kostitsyn: Top 6 winger
Higgins: Fringe Top 6

RW
S.Kostitsyn: Top 6 winger
Latendresse: Fringe Top 6

Defence
PK.Subban: #1 D
McDonagh: #2 D
Emelin: Top 4
Weber: #6 D
O’Bryne: #6 D

Goalie
Price: #1 goalie
Halak: #1 goalie

HM: D’Agostini,White

It’s scary how we could have looked if Uncle Bob would have traded away Koivu,Kovalev,Tanguay,Komisarek,Lang for prospect and picks during the 2009 trade deadline instead of losing them for nothing.

 

[JianYang]

I was looking at this list today and became nostalgic.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10521/canadiens_top20_prospects_fall2008/

Add to this list Plekanec, Higgins, A.Kostitsyn, Latendresse who were all still young and you had a very good young core. Even if not all of them panned out like promised it’s crazy to see how many had decent NHL careers.

Center
Plekanec: Low tier #1 C
Grabovski: #2 C
Lapierre: #3 C
Chipchura: #4 C

LW
Pacioretty: 1st line winger
A.Kostitsyn: Top 6 winger
Higgins: Fringe Top 6

RW
S.Kostitsyn: Top 6 winger
Latendresse: Fringe Top 6

Defence
PK.Subban: #1 D
McDonagh: #2 D
Emelin: Top 4
Weber: #6 D
O’Bryne: #6 D

Goalie
Price: #1 goalie
Halak: #1 goalie

HM: D’Agostini,White

It’s scary how we could have looked if Uncle Bob would have traded away Koivu,Kovalev,Tanguay,Komisarek,Lang for prospect and picks during the 2009 trade deadline instead of losing them for nothing.

After the season they had finishing 1st in 07/08, and the Centennial season upcoming, there was just no way they were going to rebuild. TSN actually had them going to the finals.

They ended up trading for sundin's rights and paid a heavy price for it.

They ended up trading for Robert lang who did have a good season, albeit, an injury shortened season.

They also traded for Tanguay at the draft.

The team was actually in real good shape going into the all star break. It was after this time that everything started to collapse. Price's game had plummeted, and injuries were becoming an epidemic.

I recall that kovalev heated up quite a bit down the stretch drive, and the habs just barely hung on to a playoff spot, but proceeded to get Swept by the bruins.

I guess gainey and co just doubled down, and kept with the plan, even if it was going sideways. It turned out to be the wrong choice. But I do wonder, if the habs did not have such a great half season out of the gate, would they have handled things differently?

 

[Hins77]

Minor but. : samuel morin vs charles hudon. Therrien know him and he could have a new opportunity there. Morin here on LD. We never know

 

[Habs Icing]

Laine would be a great fit for us as a big sniper who can play with KK and help the PP- but I don’t want to give up Domi or Poehling. Wonder if we could build a package around Drouin, Suzuki, Caulfield, and a 1st? That would likely hold way more value than 4 1sts.

Caufield doesn’t need to be included.

I like the idea of starting with Drouin and Suzuki and then perhaps a pick, and try to limit the damage from there.

I have doubts about Laine. He reminds me too much of Pacioretty. Unless he's scoring, he really brings nothing else to a team. And yes I know that goal scoring is an important aspect of hockey. And Laine is a good goal scorer.

I would not throw a Caufield or Suzuki into a trade for Laine. Drouin I could care less and a 1st sure why not. Many posters again expressed worries about Suzuki's intensity at the past development camp and I wonder if that's not one of the reasons you two are so eager to unload Suzuki. If intensity is a characteristic you value so much, I have to ask have you seen Laine play? Because I see a lack of it when I watch him play.

Then again maybe it could be that there's a difference in how we value those players. I disagree with the present poll rating going on on our boards. I see Suzuki as our #1 prospect, Caufield as #2 and a tie between Romanov, Brook, and Poehling. Maybe that's why I have trouble putting Suzuki in any trade. Nick for me is the type of player I value more than a Laine. When Suzuki is not scoring or setting up his linemates, he's bringing other aspects to the team. Something Laine is just incapable of doing.

 

[Habs Icing]

I'm firmly convinced Caufield can be as good or better than Laine. Don't @ me.

And from what I've seen of Caufield he has a more complete game. Laine is a one-dimensional player. He scores goals.

 

[Habs Icing]

All kidding aside, MB has not addressed PP

Peter Puck?

 

[Runner77]

I have doubts about Laine. He reminds me too much of Pacioretty. Unless he's scoring, he really brings nothing else to a team. And yes I know that goal scoring is an important aspect of hockey. And Laine is a good goal scorer.

I would not throw a Caufield or Suzuki into a trade for Laine. Drouin I could care less and a 1st sure why not. Many posters again expressed worries about Suzuki's intensity at the past development camp and I wonder if that's not one of the reasons you two are so eager to unload Suzuki. If intensity is a characteristic you value so much, I have to ask have you seen Laine play? Because I see a lack of it when I watch him play.

Then again maybe it could be that there's a difference in how we value those players. I disagree with the present poll rating going on on our boards. I see Suzuki as our #1 prospect, Caufield as #2 and a tie between Romanov, Brook, and Poehling. Maybe that's why I have trouble putting Suzuki in any trade. Nick for me is the type of player I value more than a Laine. When Suzuki is not scoring or setting up his linemates, he's bringing other aspects to the team. Something Laine is just incapable of doing.

Not at all eager to give up on Suzuki but Drouin alone doesn’t come close to getting you a sizeable return. You have to give to get and no one ever knows what a trade outcome might be. Maybe Laine is or isn’t the type of asset where a Suzuki is worth including — we’re just spitballing as part of our fake tradin’.

Would not at all be disappointed to roll with Suzuki if the Habs chose to not make him available. I like Suzuki’s superior hockey IQ and look forward to seeing how it serves him at the NHL level.

 

[Runner77]

Minor but. : samuel morin vs charles hudon. Therrien know him and he could have a new opportunity there. Morin here on LD. We never know

How much ice time did Hudon get under Therrien? I don’t remember Therrien being particularly bullish when it came to Hudon.

I’m still grappling with the idea that MB somehow thought it was a good idea to sign him. It’s not as if the Habs are not well stocked as it is at the AHL level.

 

[Vachon23]

How much ice time did Hudon get under Therrien? I don’t remember Therrien being particularly bullish when it came to Hudon.

I’m still grappling with the idea that MB somehow thought it was a good idea to sign him. It’s not as if the Habs are not well stocked as it is at the AHL level.

I remember that Hudon was going to Therrien Golf even when he was in the AHL. So I don’t know if that mean something

 

[HabsForHire]

Im so bored, we need some habs rumors. I dont care if they are eklund i need soooomething

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Apparently Gusev traded to the devils for a 2nd and 3rd
The devils and rangers got so much better in one offseason, its crazy
They both added
- a top 2 pick (Hughes, kakko)
- A great defenseman (Subban, trouba)
- Elite offensive talent (Gusev, Panarin)

 

[DarkSender]

I know this might give you headaches but i'll give it a shot and see what you guys think.

Four 1st round picks (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023) for Sidney Crosby - 4 years left to his 8.7M$ contract.

Why do I propose a trade like this one ?

• We will never win without an offensive/defensive leader like him.
• Only 8.7M in cap space.. for Crosby ?? That's cheeaaaappp as f*** in today's standards.
• #1 Center
• Leadership (with Weber and Price... thats going to be HUGE)
• BIG BIG source of inspiration to the young centers: Kotka & Poehling (& Suzuki)
• Just imagine Montreal receiving the news that Crosby is getting in Town...

I am sure that Pittsburg is going to CONSIDER trading Crosby with that offer. He's getting old.. and FOUR 1st round picks is huge. We need him more that Pittsburg does.. I think

 

[Vachon23]

Apparently Gusev traded to the devils for a 2nd and 3rd
The devils and rangers got so much better in one offseason, its crazy
They both added
- a top 2 pick (Hughes, kakko)
- A great defenseman (Subban, trouba)
- Elite offensive talent (Gusev, Panarin)

Gusev is not elite

 

[angusyoung]

I know this might give you headaches but i'll give it a shot and see what you guys think.

Four 1st round picks (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023) for Sidney Crosby - 4 years left to his 8.7M$ contract.

Why do I propose a trade like this one ?

• We will never win without an offensive/defensive leader like him.
• Only 8.7M in cap space.. for Crosby ?? That's cheeaaaappp as **** in today's standards.
• #1 Center
• Leadership (with Weber and Price... thats going to be HUGE)
• BIG BIG source of inspiration to the young centers: Kotka & Poehling (& Suzuki)
• Just imagine Montreal receiving the news that Crosby is getting in Town...

I am sure that Pittsburg is going to CONSIDER trading Crosby with that offer. He's getting old.. and FOUR 1st round picks is huge. We need him more that Pittsburg does.. I think

If Pitt is willing to rid themselves of Sid, get him! don't see them doing that though.