Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread XVI

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Honestly, I rather Leddy than Gostisbehere.

for the price ? definitely, Leddy will not cost as much.

in a perfect World with a perfect deal I would target more Theodore, Fowler or Ghost.

 

[angusyoung]

for the price ? definitely, Leddy will not cost as much.

in a perfect World with a perfect deal I would target more Theodore, Fowler or Ghost.

Ghost would be my last choice, not sound enough defensively and smallish.

 

[Canadienna]

We need to have another disaster of injuries to key players for us to finish in the bottom 5 or bottom 10 IMO.

I'm not so sure, one injury to Price and the team as it is now will be hard pressed to stay out of the lottery.

I'd be wary of trading our first next year unprotected

 

[Habs Halifax]

for the price ? definitely, Leddy will not cost as much.

in a perfect World with a perfect deal I would target more Theodore, Fowler or Ghost.

I am not sure who cost more between Leddy and Gostisbehere to be honest. The one thing I don't like about Gostisbehere is he is a liability in his own end and can be a target by the other teams forwards. You can only skate so much with the puck before you run out of room.

Gostisbehere's corsi is solid but he started in the offensive zone on faceoffs 70% of the time. This should tell you that the Flyers are sheltering him a bit. If he is not producing points, he is almost useless and this is a concern of mine.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It took the Habs all season to figure things out and 2 of the LD had to spend time in the A to improve their game,and they did. Habs actually were pretty solid at the end,too little too late,but at least they got the core and style to play with what they got. They failed last season due to a pathetic 4th line that was a shambles all season long and a putrid PP, that was in the top 5 in the last 10-15 games of the season as well as their FO %

Just thinking the same thing. The D we started with was nothing like the one we finished with.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just thinking the same thing. The D we started with was nothing like the one we finished with.

This is 100% true and I'm not so sure many Habs fans understand how good our D was down the stretch. Our problem was goal scoring in tight games, not our back end. We can use improvements on D but as it stands now, it's very decent and all comes down if Kulak can produce for a full season like he did in the last 30 games. If he can, our D is fine.

However, if we want to be a cup contender in a few seasons, we need to improve our goal scoring power and add someone better than Mete and Kulak on the left side where we can bump them down.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

This is 100% true and I'm not so sure many Habs fans understand how good our D was down the stretch. Our problem was goal scoring in tight games, not our back end. We can use improvements on D but as it stands now, it's very decent and all comes down if Kulak can produce for a full season like he did in the last 30 games. If he can, our D is fine.

However, if we want to be a cup contender in a few seasons, we need to improve our goal scoring power and add someone better than Mete and Kulak on the left side where we can bump them down.

Since Weber came back we were top 5 in GA in the league

 

[Sterling Archer]

This is 100% true and I'm not so sure many Habs fans understand how good our D was down the stretch. Our problem was goal scoring in tight games, not our back end. We can use improvements on D but as it stands now, it's very decent and all comes down if Kulak can produce for a full season like he did in the last 30 games. If he can, our D is fine.

However, if we want to be a cup contender in a few seasons, we need to improve our goal scoring power and add someone better than Mete and Kulak on the left side where we can bump them down.

Can’t “like” this post enough.

 

[montreal]

Since Weber came back we were top 5 in GA in the league

where did you get that from? I know since Weber came back we were at 2.67 gaa after being 3.38 before Weber. We finished the season at 2.77, at 2.67 would put us at 12th on the season.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Since Weber came back we were top 5 in GA in the league

From November 27, 2018 (Weber's first game back), Montreal is 10th in GA/60 (2.66) and 7th in GA.

Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I think we need Danault for the rest of his contract while we get to see the development from Kotkaniemi and Poehling. If one of them stalls, we need Danault as our future 3C. Lets keep our centers please. It's been a long time to get to this point so lets not be quick to trade any of them.

Mete? I am not sure if he has reached his ceiling or if he has room to grow. Just not sure.

Byron, Tatar, Shaw. I'd be hesitant to trade any of them but if we get fair value, I would consider trading them if we have a fair trade to both sides.

I mean if you wanna trade Danault its the perfect time , he wont get better , his contract is amazing. Danault is the type of player u dont pay more or u start to regret it , Yeah hes great in the defensive aspect , but let's be real hes 3rd center material.
Im not saying to give him for free but if you have a chance to get Leddy or Ghost for lets stay straight for Danault , you do it and dont look further.
Mete ceiling are probably not capped but he wont get bigger and taller. Hes really fast and have an okay first pass but hes no top4 material. Hes playing there by default. Mete in front of the net is like a Feather trying to push metal. If he was better offensively I would keep him in a top 4 but man i know hes young but jesus , 0 goals in 120 games for a pseudo offensive d-man is just beyond terrible. The assists are not there at all.

For Byron Tatar Shaw , They can be traded for things we need. Shaw and Byron are 3rd liners in good teams , we lack of so many things they gotta fix holes we have.
Tatar has good value , hes a great player with good term , he could easily fetch the need for a LHD.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Huge issue in which sense? Seems they are counting on Mete and Kulak and need 1 more to fill the roster.
Benn will probably leave,understood,but he played his role fine down the stretch. Great if MTL could get a true proven #1 in a reasonable scenario,but at the very worst case scenario, Alzner is still alive. Possible that even Olaffson,Leskinen or Skleninka could earn a spot in the interim. Even Ouilette was not total garbage

If Bergevin counts on a 6-7th dman on Kulak and Mete whos right now a 3rd pair d-man to make this team win . We are in deep trouble , Price wont be there to save them on a bad night. Everytime Price had an average game we lost. I think its a huge problem. And the lack of pure skilled wingers killed our team.

Benn , Reilly and Folin could leave and it wont change anything , You find those are every Years during UFA or season waivers.
But nah Alzner is donezo in Montreal unless we have 4 injuries in the back. all the other players you named are no namers. Ouellet showed us that he doesnt belong in the NHL like Hudon.

 

[thegoalie39]

This is 100% true and I'm not so sure many Habs fans understand how good our D was down the stretch. Our problem was goal scoring in tight games, not our back end. We can use improvements on D but as it stands now, it's very decent and all comes down if Kulak can produce for a full season like he did in the last 30 games. If he can, our D is fine.

However, if we want to be a cup contender in a few seasons, we need to improve our goal scoring power and add someone better than Mete and Kulak on the left side where we can bump them down.

When goal scoring does become available you have to be willing to pay for it like the Penguins with Kessel,Vegas with Stone and Pacioretty and many teams...if Hall,Meier those types become available you have to be willing to mortgage part of your future with prospects and 1st round....Bergevin has not and will not do it he covets late first round picks like no other GM.

 

[Miller Time]

To Vgk
Peca

To Mtl
Clarkson, 2020 1st & 2019 3rd (79th)
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To Cgy
Byron, Juulsen

To Mtl
Bennett, Stone, 2020 1st
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To Edm
Drouin, DLO, Alzner

To Mtl
2020 1st, Puljujarvi, Samorukov
Lucic, Gagner
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Tatar - Domi - Gallagher
Bennett - Danault - Shaw
Lekhonen - JKO - Armia
Lucic - Thompson - Weal
Gagner, Puljujarvi, Poehling, Suzuki, Evans

Mete - Weber
Kulak - Petry
Reilly - Stone
Folin, Fleury, Brook, Samorukov

Price
Lingren

Moving fwd, we'd have 5 top 80 picks this year and 4 first round picks in 2020 (3 from Pacific Division, increasing odds at least 1 ends up a lottery pic)

Plus ~15M off the books in 2020 (Weise, stone, Gagner, Clarkson)


Still a bubble PO team for 2019, but we would be well equipped to go on a serious run starting in 2020, with a deep and talented prospect pool & cap space to be aggressive in trades (including unloading Lucic if necessary) or UFAgency

Domi, JKO, Bennett, Puljujarvi, Suzuki... 5 top ten draft talents still in their ELC/RFA years...

Plus Mete, Poehling, Armia...

And Brook, Samorukov, Fleury, Ylonen, Romanov, Ikonen on the way...

That's a lot of talent (+ 5 more 1st rounders from next two drafts) to work with in building a long term contender

 

[Habsawce]

#15 for Theodore and Clarkson. Won't happen cause Theodore is too important to them, but would be nice to take advantage of the pickle they're in.

 

[altmeister]

#15 for Theodore and Clarkson. Won't happen cause Theodore is too important to them, but would be nice to take advantage of the pickle they're in.

Draftpick or KK ?

 

[Mrb1p]

Send Petry+Lindgren to FLA for their first+Berny+Bjorgstrom already

Send Dunno to Winnipeg for their first and a forward or a D

PROFIT, three first rounders, just like that were the Rangers and well be in a position to compete hard in a year for the next ten years.

Ghost would be my last choice, not sound enough defensively and smallish.

Hes better defensively than Kulak and Benn so the point is moot.

To Vgk
Peca

To Mtl
Clarkson, 2020 1st & 2019 3rd (79th)
------------
To Cgy
Byron, Juulsen

To Mtl
Bennett, Stone, 2020 1st
--------------
To Edm
Drouin, DLO, Alzner

To Mtl
2020 1st, Puljujarvi, Samorukov
Lucic, Gagner
------------

Tatar - Domi - Gallagher
Bennett - Danault - Shaw
Lekhonen - JKO - Armia
Lucic - Thompson - Weal
Gagner, Puljujarvi, Poehling, Suzuki, Evans

Mete - Weber
Kulak - Petry
Reilly - Stone
Folin, Fleury, Brook, Samorukov

Price
Lingren

Moving fwd, we'd have 5 top 80 picks this year and 4 first round picks in 2020 (3 from Pacific Division, increasing odds at least 1 ends up a lottery pic)

Plus ~15M off the books in 2020 (Weise, stone, Gagner, Clarkson)


Still a bubble PO team for 2019, but we would be well equipped to go on a serious run starting in 2020, with a deep and talented prospect pool & cap space to be aggressive in trades (including unloading Lucic if necessary) or UFAgency

Domi, JKO, Bennett, Puljujarvi, Suzuki... 5 top ten draft talents still in their ELC/RFA years...

Plus Mete, Poehling, Armia...

And Brook, Samorukov, Fleury, Ylonen, Romanov, Ikonen on the way...

That's a lot of talent (+ 5 more 1st rounders from next two drafts) to work with in building a long term contender

I like that you blow it up hard, but Petry is the biggest value and his value will never be higher, hes the one that shouild be moved.

I mean if you wanna trade Danault its the perfect time , he wont get better , his contract is amazing. Danault is the type of player u dont pay more or u start to regret it , Yeah hes great in the defensive aspect , but let's be real hes 3rd center material.
Im not saying to give him for free but if you have a chance to get Leddy or Ghost for lets stay straight for Danault , you do it and dont look further.
Mete ceiling are probably not capped but he wont get bigger and taller. Hes really fast and have an okay first pass but hes no top4 material. Hes playing there by default. Mete in front of the net is like a Feather trying to push metal. If he was better offensively I would keep him in a top 4 but man i know hes young but jesus , 0 goals in 120 games for a pseudo offensive d-man is just beyond terrible. The assists are not there at all.

For Byron Tatar Shaw , They can be traded for things we need. Shaw and Byron are 3rd liners in good teams , we lack of so many things they gotta fix holes we have.
Tatar has good value , hes a great player with good term , he could easily fetch the need for a LHD.

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[JD Lagrange]

where did you get that from? I know since Weber came back we were at 2.67 gaa after being 3.38 before Weber. We finished the season at 2.77, at 2.67 would put us at 12th on the season.

From November 27, 2018 (Weber's first game back), Montreal is 10th in GA/60 (2.66) and 7th in GA.

Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

I don't know what the team's stats were but I do know the effect Weber had on Price's numbers.

 

[vokiel]

Send Petry+Lindgren to FLA for their first+Berny+Bjorgstrom already

Send Dunno to Winnipeg for their first and a forward or a D

PROFIT, three first rounders, just like that were the Rangers and well be in a position to compete hard in a year for the next ten years.

You'll need more than arguments to pull that trade

 

[The Great Weal]

I ventured over to the main Trade board thread, something I rarely do, and someone posted Tatar for Leddy.

And while i'm sure there could be other moving parts around that, that seems like a reasonable/plausible base for a deal.

And then you have posters asking for Tatar+Ylonen. 1 for 1 is fair, we shouldn't have to add anything more.

 

[Habsawce]

Draftpick or KK ?

Draft pick lol. Kotkaniemi is too important to the future to trade unless it's a no-brainer.

 

[Runner77]

delete

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

for the price ? definitely, Leddy will not cost as much.

in a perfect World with a perfect deal I would target more Theodore, Fowler or Ghost.

Gost has more upside and the contract he's on is sweet. I'd much rather go for him. Gotta say though, he definitely made some defensive gaffes last year when I watched him. Still, when he's on he's on. And he's still young enough that we can work to improve his game. Playing with Weber would be a good pairing.

 

[Miller Time]

I like that you blow it up hard, but Petry is the biggest value and his value will never be higher, hes the one that shouild be moved.

I didn't really view trading Byron, Drouin, Juulsen, Peca & DLO as "blowing it up hard"... I think the roster I landed on is likely better than this past year tbh (though I'm bullish on Bennett having a breakout season very soon, & stone is a big upgrade to our bottom-4).

If we were to "blow up" the roster, I think I'd shop Weber much harder/sooner than Petry...

Petry's young enough to be a part of a full teardown & rebuild, and you want to have some solid veteran play/precense to mentor the youth movement.

 

[Mrb1p]

Petry is nowhere near as good as Weber, he's 32 and reliant on his skating and hes due for a big payday really soon, theres no reason to keep him. Absolutely none.