That's why I'm on this forum instead of reading and posting on twitter. More common sense.what is up with Hockey Twitter, & them being mad, angry that wild wouldn't trade kaprizov for eichel.
Also why in the world does hockey Twitter seem to think they know more , or can do a NHL GM's job
Been seeing crazy tweets since Sunday about how it's crazy wild won't trade kaprizov for eichel.
Like anything with Buffalo it's hard to peer through the smoke and make sense of things. There seemed to be a lot of talk from the coach that he was a winger... but now Krueger's gone, they seem to have been playing him at center, and he's had some promising production.What is the consensus on Middelstadt? Russo's trade article made it sound like a 3rd wasn't enough. is a 2nd too pricey? or 3/mid tier prospect?
I'm not saying he is the next great center, but I would like to see what he could do a on team that isn't hot garbage.
Borgstrom's the other guy in this bucket, and his relationship with Florida seems a little more strained than Mittelstadt's with Buffalo. He hasn't exactly been blowing the doors off the AHL/Liiga, but I haven't actually watched him play a game since he was in college either.I'd easily pay a second for Mittelstadt. The only problem is that he is playing his best while on the wing. I don't see Buffalo letting him go for a second only, though. He has been playing his best hockey recently. The time to get him was when he was down in the AHL. He still has the puck skills and vision. Seems to lack speed and strength, sort of like Granlund. Even though he is 6', 200 lbs., he seems to be weak, and his skating seems slower than I remember.
He certainly is the kind of prospect that I'd try to trade for, though. Skilled, offensively inclined, but relatively low cost due to his lack of recent accomplishment, and flaws.
. Khovanov will also likely be in Iowa, ready for a call up.
Borgstrom's the other guy in this bucket, and his relationship with Florida seems a little more strained than Mittelstadt's with Buffalo. He hasn't exactly been blowing the doors off the AHL/Liiga, but I haven't actually watched him play a game since he was in college either.
BOL said:Niki is a peculiar fellow. At times it looks like he's completely lost and the puck ends up wherever, but when you follow just [Borgström's] efforts in the rink and especially without possession, there haven't really been a lot of mistakes lately. And I mean after he's grasped the Liiga and HIFK systems. [...] His mistakes seem easy and often spectacular, not to mention at completely wrong time and wrong place, but approx. 97% of the time he plays just as he should.
He can't even play in the KHL, so don't see him playing in the NHL anytime soon. The attrition rate among prospects as they try to climb the ladder to the NHL is usually underestimated, and certainly hard to figure. Sokolov looked to have potential as a NHL scorer a la Hoffman coming out of the OHL, Soucy a 4 year college guy and run of the mill minor leaguer. Now one looks like an ECHL'er, the other is a decent NHL Dman who would be a top 4 guy on many teams, and who has scored more in the NHL than in the AHL.I dont know about this one. He needs to prove a lot before we can consider him ready for NHL time.
Is Borgstrom able to handle physical play? My impression of Lundell was that he could quite easily, sort of like Koivu. Borgstrom seemed easy to puck around, for all that he has size, sort of like Bjugstad. Some guys just fold under the physicality of the NHL- Mittelstadt is one of them who has had problems with it.He was injured and suffered from lack of confidence, according to HIFK fans on a Finnish discussion board. I haven't watched him play either, but the report seems to be that Henrik (or "Niki", as they call him) is good/great on the faceoff circle and can score goals, but occasionally overconfident and loses the puck too much. Granted, he's also apparently a good skater and can also take away possession, but the reports seem to indicate that there's no "NHL-threat" that would rip Borgström from HIFK.
He's also received comparisons to teammate Anton Lundell in his ability to be effective when out of possession, which I can only assume is a good thing. Also, was mentioned to be "clearly HIFK's best player while Lundell is gone". Then again, as a 23-year old former 1st round pick, he damn well should be, too.
To quote user "BOL" on Jatkoaika (my translation, posted 22nd of February):
Lately, he's received more praise both due to his goalscoring and interviews (hi, Russo). Some said it's also finally starting to look like he's grown into that 6'3" frame, and it's starting to withstand the rigors of professional hockey.
To sum it up: Great hands, big fellow, hustles for pucks without possession, yet can easily try too much and turn pucks over. Definitely a goalscoring threat from the middle, and 53.3% on the dot this season at Liiga. It's also speculated that he could use a playmaking winger to maximize his potential.
I'd say it's a worthy trade if we can buy low. See what the kid's got, and what he can do in our system. Give him a one-year contract and see what's what. Low risk, moderate reward.
Girioux would be a very interesting addition if we can get him at the right price. He is dominant on FOs, RH and his value has probably never been lower. He is a UFA after next year. Price is very hard to gauge on him.
Is Borgstrom able to handle physical play? My impression of Lundell was that he could quite easily, sort of like Koivu. Borgstrom seemed easy to puck around, for all that he has size, sort of like Bjugstad. Some guys just fold under the physicality of the NHL- Mittelstadt is one of them who has had problems with it.
What is the consensus on Middelstadt? Russo's trade article made it sound like a 3rd wasn't enough. is a 2nd too pricey? or 3/mid tier prospect?
I'm not saying he is the next great center, but I would like to see what he could do a on team that isn't hot garbage.
I want middlestat badly.
Also can people explain to me why computer GM'S on Twitter act like they know more than Guerin, or for them not watching kaprizov to say/ be angry about NHL gm not trading kaprizov for eichel?
I'd easily pay a second for Mittelstadt. The only problem is that he is playing his best while on the wing.
Trading Kap for eichel would fill a huge need that has been needed for two decades and dynamic winger is not exactly a thing we lack nearly as bad so that I’d where it would come from anger wise. I for one would be hesitant to do that trade but I wouldn’t exactly say no to it.I want middlestat badly.
Also can people explain to me why computer GM'S on Twitter act like they know more than Guerin, or for them not watching kaprizov to say/ be angry about NHL gm not trading kaprizov for eichel?
Buffalo isn't going to have much interest in Dumba, and we shouldn't have any interest in Hall.Hall + Middlestadt for Dumba? Don’t really see the need for Hall personally but I don’t think we see much more in value for Dumba around the league. If Guerin wants to splash, this would do it and at least get us some future value for Dumba.
I've been spending some time looking at our options for a center acquisition, trying to account for things like risk, cost, production, availability, etc. and the guy I keep coming back to is Monahan. If he's as available as flames fans seem to think he is/will be, he's my plan A. I'm not an expert on his game, but from reading the flames board, it seems that he's a good finisher with underrated playmaking. He's been average defensively, but this year his numbers, as are his whole teams', are pretty poor defensively. Grazing through his stats, it seems he's not exactly a catalyst offensively, but if he has someone else on his line driving the offense he can more than keep up. Here's a breakdown of his points along with Guadreau's, whom he's been stapled to:
2016-2017: Gaudreau-61; Monahan-58
2017-2018: Gaudreau-84; Monahan-64
2018-2019: Gaudreau-99; Monahan-82
**Guadreau declines**
2019-2020: Gaudreau-58; Monahan 48 (shortend season)
2020-2021: Gaudreau-55; Monahan-49 (pacing)
Those numbers relate pretty well to producing when given good line mates. If we give him Kaprizov who can give 70-80 points, he might be able to get back to being a 60-70 point guy. He's 26 with 5 27+ goal seasons and he and 4 60+ point seasons. I realize there will be people who are going to look at the numbers he's been putting up lately and be deterred, but you have to balance all the information. It's similar to Trocheck in that you're betting on him being able to get back to the level he was previously at with a change of scenery. The risk isn't terrible, either. his deal is up after 22/23 so we'd have two seasons to evaluate where/if he fits in longterm. If you can get him for something around Dumba it's a win for me. If you're following St. Louis' blueprint of building off an elite defense and an electrifying Russian winger, Monahan slots in longterm in a similar fashion to Brayden Schenn.
Monahan would be high on my list as well. Lucky for us fans the adults in charge apparently know better:I've been spending some time looking at our options for a center acquisition, trying to account for things like risk, cost, production, availability, etc. and the guy I keep coming back to is Monahan. If he's as available as flames fans seem to think he is/will be, he's my plan A. I'm not an expert on his game, but from reading the flames board, it seems that he's a good finisher with underrated playmaking. He's been average defensively, but this year his numbers, as are his whole teams', are pretty poor defensively. Grazing through his stats, it seems he's not exactly a catalyst offensively, but if he has someone else on his line driving the offense he can more than keep up. Here's a breakdown of his points along with Guadreau's, whom he's been stapled to:
2016-2017: Gaudreau-61; Monahan-58
2017-2018: Gaudreau-84; Monahan-64
2018-2019: Gaudreau-99; Monahan-82
**Guadreau declines**
2019-2020: Gaudreau-58; Monahan 48 (shortend season)
2020-2021: Gaudreau-55; Monahan-49 (pacing)
Those numbers relate pretty well to producing when given good line mates. If we give him Kaprizov who can give 70-80 points, he might be able to get back to being a 60-70 point guy. He's 26 with 5 27+ goal seasons and he and 4 60+ point seasons. I realize there will be people who are going to look at the numbers he's been putting up lately and be deterred, but you have to balance all the information. It's similar to Trocheck in that you're betting on him being able to get back to the level he was previously at with a change of scenery. The risk isn't terrible, either. his deal is up after 22/23 so we'd have two seasons to evaluate where/if he fits in longterm. If you can get him for something around Dumba it's a win for me. If you're following St. Louis' blueprint of building off an elite defense and an electrifying Russian winger, Monahan slots in longterm in a similar fashion to Brayden Schenn.
I am guessing that Trekiving values Monahan more than CAL's disappointed fan base. I think they are comparing Monahan to the other great C's in Canada, and find him wanting. I'd be good with a guy who can score, has a decent contract and size, and can win a FO. I don't care that he isn't a transformative player.I've been spending some time looking at our options for a center acquisition, trying to account for things like risk, cost, production, availability, etc. and the guy I keep coming back to is Monahan. If he's as available as flames fans seem to think he is/will be, he's my plan A. I'm not an expert on his game, but from reading the flames board, it seems that he's a good finisher with underrated playmaking. He's been average defensively, but this year his numbers, as are his whole teams', are pretty poor defensively. Grazing through his stats, it seems he's not exactly a catalyst offensively, but if he has someone else on his line driving the offense he can more than keep up. Here's a breakdown of his points along with Guadreau's, whom he's been stapled to:
2016-2017: Gaudreau-61; Monahan-58
2017-2018: Gaudreau-84; Monahan-64
2018-2019: Gaudreau-99; Monahan-82
**Guadreau declines**
2019-2020: Gaudreau-58; Monahan 48 (shortend season)
2020-2021: Gaudreau-55; Monahan-49 (pacing)
Those numbers relate pretty well to producing when given good line mates. If we give him Kaprizov who can give 70-80 points, he might be able to get back to being a 60-70 point guy. He's 26 with 5 27+ goal seasons and he and 4 60+ point seasons. I realize there will be people who are going to look at the numbers he's been putting up lately and be deterred, but you have to balance all the information. It's similar to Trocheck in that you're betting on him being able to get back to the level he was previously at with a change of scenery. The risk isn't terrible, either. his deal is up after 22/23 so we'd have two seasons to evaluate where/if he fits in longterm. If you can get him for something around Dumba it's a win for me. If you're following St. Louis' blueprint of building off an elite defense and an electrifying Russian winger, Monahan slots in longterm in a similar fashion to Brayden Schenn.