Toronto Sports Media Discussion Thread - v5

[Seath The Scaleless]

Watch Maclennen blame Carey Price's struggles on the defence again tomorrow.

Petry did serve up a pizza on the 3rd Boston goal, but yeah, that 4th goal cannot go in. 3-1 at the start of the 2nd period is manageable, and then a softy goes in.....Price has been awful lately.

 

[GoonieFace]

I dunno man, he seemed really pissed that it was even a subject of discussion. Based on what you said though I suppose I could be wrong so maybe I'll just shut up about it.

All these hockey players were part of abusive hazing, mostly completely demeaning to people. So for any of them to say that Babcock is a horrible human being better look in the mirror, because they all did things 10 times worse than reading a list of lazy players.

 

[Warden of the North]

All these hockey players were part of abusive hazing, mostly completely demeaning to people. So for any of them to say that Babcock is a horrible human being better look in the mirror, because they all did things 10 times worse than reading a list of lazy players.

So what are they supposed to say now then? Nothing?

 

[Gary Nylund]

So what are they supposed to say now then? Nothing?

Haha good question! I mean obviously saying nothing is wrong but when you have to be hypocritical to say something sensible it adds a layer of complexity to the situation doesn't it.

Really glad people are talking about this and shining some light on what is disgusting and really needs to change!

 

[razkaz]

Haha good question! I mean obviously saying nothing is wrong but when you have to be hypocritical to say something sensible it adds a layer of complexity to the situation doesn't it.

Really glad people are talking about this and shining some light on what is disgusting and really needs to change!

I don't think the Babcock/Peters situation is the same as the hazing thing. Those two were coaches with enough power/sway to determine a young persons NHL career.

The hazing thing needs more time to develop. No one has heard the whole story yet.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The Athletic's all-decade nightmare team:
McLaren – Smithson – Orr
J. Blake – Jokinen – Clarkson
Sill – Wallin – Crabb
Rosehill – Dupuis – Hanson

Exelby – Finger
Lebda – Komisarek
Aulie – Holzer
Toskala
Gustavsson

 

[Warden of the North]

The Constipator segment last night was amazing

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't think the Babcock/Peters situation is the same as the hazing thing. Those two were coaches with enough power/sway to determine a young persons NHL career.

The hazing thing needs more time to develop. No one has heard the whole story yet.

We'll never hear the "whole story" as there are way too many stories to tell.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I don't think the Babcock/Peters situation is the same as the hazing thing. Those two were coaches with enough power/sway to determine a young persons NHL career.

The hazing thing needs more time to develop. No one has heard the whole story yet.

Never forget: Dustin Byfuglien was celebrated for stealing his teammates clothes and throwing them into a shower because he did not like the style of said clothing.

 

[Durrr]

Never forget: Dustin Byfuglien was celebrated for stealing his teammates clothes and throwing them into a shower because he did not like the style of said clothing.

I actually remember the talking idiots on TV celebrating this as some brazen act of leadership. Hockey culture is so toxic.

 

[ACC1224]

Never forget: Dustin Byfuglien was celebrated for stealing his teammates clothes and throwing them into a shower because he did not like the style of said clothing.

That was the reason?

 

[GoonieFace]

I actually remember the talking idiots on TV celebrating this as some brazen act of leadership. Hockey culture is so toxic.

Yep, all these guys have taken part in some pretty cringeworthy and humiliating things. But they see fit to bash other guys any chance they get.

 

[ManosArriba]

Never forget: Dustin Byfuglien was celebrated for stealing his teammates clothes and throwing them into a shower because he did not like the style of said clothing.

It was Evander Kanes' clothes and that wasnt the reason, he violated the team dress code and was a toxic presence in the locker room. Buff was a leader in that locker room and sent a message to put Evander Kane in line.

 

[Stigma]

The Constipator segment last night was amazing

It was! I've never seen O'Dog laugh like that.

I know this has been mentioned many times before, buy why doesn't O'Dog ever look at Noodles? It's disturbing.

https://www.tsn.ca/must-see/video/must-see-o-dog-nearly-falls-off-his-chair-laughing~1840147

 

[TheKule]

The Athletic's all-decade nightmare team:
McLaren – Smithson – Orr
J. Blake – Jokinen – Clarkson
Sill – Wallin – Crabb
Rosehill – Dupuis – Hanson

Exelby – Finger
Lebda – Komisarek
Aulie – Holzer
Toskala
Gustavsson

Remember when we were told that the Phaneuf trade would some day be known as the Aulie trade.

So many people today pine for players like Aulie, short memories on those sorts.

 

[razkaz]

We'll never hear the "whole story" as there are way too many stories to tell.

What I meant is that basically the entire Suter family was called out for serious allegations of sexual abuse. Hazing is one thing, whether you agree with it or not, but sexual abuse is something completely different and should not be taken lightly.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

All these hockey players were part of abusive hazing, mostly completely demeaning to people. So for any of them to say that Babcock is a horrible human being better look in the mirror, because they all did things 10 times worse than reading a list of lazy players.

I completely agree. The focus right now is on the coaches, who did some halacious things. But the players better not celebrate too soon because their turn will come. Hockey has some ridiculous, archaic rituals that needs to be rid of.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I actually remember the talking idiots on TV celebrating this as some brazen act of leadership. Hockey culture is so toxic.

Yes.

That was the reason?

Kinda..

It was Evander Kanes' clothes and that wasnt the reason, he violated the team dress code and was a toxic presence in the locker room. Buff was a leader in that locker room and sent a message to put Evander Kane in line.

Uh huh. Great leadership.

Would have been far sillier for the veteran, one of the other ~25 black players in the NHL, to take aside the 23 year old and communicate with him the appropriate etiquette and expectations of the franchise, having a better understanding for what the young man is going through from a cultural perspective than anyone.

Not difficult; I do it all the time in the Corporate world. And while Byfuglien was celebrated by the media and hockey world i general for his actions, which were indeed hazing, I can assure you that most minorities who pay attention to the NHL had a similar, vitriolic, reaction; full well knowing what it was he was trying to accomplish with his actions.

 

[Blowfish]

Omg Andi repeating everything leaf radio discussed yesterday. Grrrr

 

[rielledup]

Yes.



Kinda..



Uh huh. Great leadership.

Would have been far sillier for the veteran, one of the other ~25 black players in the NHL, to take aside the 23 year old and communicate with him the appropriate etiquette and expectations of the franchise, having a better understanding for what the young man is going through from a cultural perspective than anyone.

Not difficult; I do it all the time in the Corporate world. And while Byfuglien was celebrated by the media and hockey world i general for his actions, which were indeed hazing, I can assure you that most minorities who pay attention to the NHL had a similar, vitriolic, reaction; full well knowing what it was he was trying to accomplish with his actions.

How do you know that Byfuglien and others hadn't already talked to him and Byfuglien did this because he had finally had enough of Kane's behaviour?

 

[rielledup]

Yep, all these guys have taken part in some pretty cringeworthy and humiliating things. But they see fit to bash other guys any chance they get.

Making sweeping, generalized statements about any group of people is a very stupid thing to do. Do you honestly believe every single former player supported or participated in hazing?

While we are on the topic of hypocrites, I hope you've never criticized anyone else for making generalized statements about a group of people.

 

[The Apologist]

Is Babcock the reason the Toronto media is terrible?

Discuss.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Dreger bending over for Ferris again.

 

[Schenn]

The Constipator segment last night was amazing

I came into this thread expecting this to be the major discussion point, not the other stuff!

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Watch Maclennen blame Carey Price's struggles on the defence again tomorrow.

Just catching up on yesterday's show. You nailed it; he went out of his way to defend Price. Wouldn't shock me if he still thinks Price is the best goalie in the world