Player Discussion Torey Krug VI

[member 96824]

Again personally I’m not worried about the micro stats from the regular season. Idc if we finish 7th in the EC I just think Krug is a defensive liability in the playoffs that’s all

Ok..so you’re not worried about things like goals or goals against..so again back to my original question. What does overall team success improving look like? It’s not stats..fine. It’s not number of trips to the finals..fine. What’s the expectation that letting Krug walk makes us better look like then?

 

[member 96824]

Anyone know where you can find stats for power plays in the postseason? It seems to be a “common knowledge” thing that power plays disappear in the playoffs but I’d love to see the numbers. Anecdotally, It feels like the last couple of years power plays in the playoffs have been on the rise.

 

[Otherworld]

Bottom line here is $$$.

Get Petro with that $$$. Bolster the back end again. Then we can get winger for Krejci.

Jake will probably have to go, but there is not a lot time left with the core.

 

[BAD BOY]

Anyone know where you can find stats for power plays in the postseason? It seems to be a “common knowledge” thing that power plays disappear in the playoffs but I’d love to see the numbers. Anecdotally, It feels like the last couple of years power plays in the playoffs have been on the rise.

It disappears for the bruins. Lol

 

[Dr Hook]

Anyone know where you can find stats for power plays in the postseason? It seems to be a “common knowledge” thing that power plays disappear in the playoffs but I’d love to see the numbers. Anecdotally, It feels like the last couple of years power plays in the playoffs have been on the rise.

It seems like that to me too. We always here "refs put their whistles away" but I just don't think that is true anymore. I see the playoff refs making the same stupid calls/non-calls as in the regular season, and ignoring something one time but calling it another.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Anyone know where you can find stats for power plays in the postseason? It seems to be a “common knowledge” thing that power plays disappear in the playoffs but I’d love to see the numbers. Anecdotally, It feels like the last couple of years power plays in the playoffs have been on the rise.

Going back to the Bruins cup year, PP opportunities per game have increased from the regular season to the playoffs in all seasons except for one.

2019-2020* = +0.55 PP opp. per game in the playoffs
2018-2019 = +0.25 PP/g in the playoffs
2017-2018 = +0.19 PP/g in the playoffs
2016-2017 = +0.14 PP/g in the playoffs
2015-2016 = +0.16 PP/g in the playoffs
2014-2015 = -0.14 PP/g in the playoffs
2013-2014 = +0.31 PP/g in the playoffs
2012-2013 = +0.04 PP/g in the playoffs
2011-2012 = +0.44 PP/g in the playoffs
2010-2011 = +0.40 PP/g in the playoffs

	Total Reg. Seas. PP opp	Reg. Seas. Games	Reg. Season. PP opp/game	Total Playoff PP opp	Playoff Games	Playoff PP opp/game
2019-2020*	6435	2164	2.974	908	258	3.519
2018-2019	7412	2542	2.916	550	174	3.161
2017-2018	7735	2542	3.043	543	168	3.232
2016-2017	7349	2460	2.987	544	174	3.126
2015-2016	7656	2460	3.112	596	182	3.275
2014-2015	7521	2460	3.057	520	178	2.921
2013-2014	8055	2460	3.274	667	186	3.586
2012-2013	4785	1440	3.323	578	172	3.360
2011-2012	8133	2460	3.306	644	172	3.744
2010-2011	8716	2460	3.543	702	178	3.944

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Dr Hook]

Going back to the Bruins cup year, PP opportunities per game have increased from the regular season to the playoffs in all seasons except for one.

2019-2020* = +0.55 PP opp. per game in the playoffs
2018-2019 = +0.25 PP/g in the playoffs
2017-2018 = +0.19 PP/g in the playoffs
2016-2017 = +0.14 PP/g in the playoffs
2015-2016 = +0.16 PP/g in the playoffs
2014-2015 = -0.14 PP/g in the playoffs
2013-2014 = +0.31 PP/g in the playoffs
2012-2013 = +0.04 PP/g in the playoffs
2011-2012 = +0.44 PP/g in the playoffs
2010-2011 = +0.40 PP/g in the playoffs

	Total Reg. Seas. PP opp	Reg. Seas. Games	Reg. Season. PP opp/game	Total Playoff PP opp	Playoff Games	Playoff PP opp/game
2019-2020*	6435	2164	2.974	908	258	3.519
2018-2019	7412	2542	2.916	550	174	3.161
2017-2018	7735	2542	3.043	543	168	3.232
2016-2017	7349	2460	2.987	544	174	3.126
2015-2016	7656	2460	3.112	596	182	3.275
2014-2015	7521	2460	3.057	520	178	2.921
2013-2014	8055	2460	3.274	667	186	3.586
2012-2013	4785	1440	3.323	578	172	3.360
2011-2012	8133	2460	3.306	644	172	3.744
2010-2011	8716	2460	3.543	702	178	3.944

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Thanks for posting that! So it basically confirms what the eye sees- there is really no significant difference (at its most you see 1 more opportunity every 2 games). The conventional wisdom, while true at one time, no longer hold. So this is interesting in terms of losing Krug.

I am still okay with him going if he asking for a long term and high dollar amount. I think the PP will be fine without him generally speaking ( I expect it to be a bit worse) but the money saved on Krug leading to another line that is threat is huge. No longer will teams know they can shut down Bergeron's line and probably shut down the Bruins. Presumably the scorer we bring in will add something to a PP as well, further mitigating the loss of Krug.

I hate to see the guy go- he's got tons of heart and at his best some sublime passing skills, but I don't reckon it will be much of a net loss.

DISCLAIMER: If Sweeney does a Sweeney and brings in some washed up old hack that used to be able to score goals once upon a time and calls it good, all bets are off

 

[Deuce17]

Ok..so you’re not worried about things like goals or goals against..so again back to my original question. What does overall team success improving look like? It’s not stats..fine. It’s not number of trips to the finals..fine. What’s the expectation that letting Krug walk makes us better look like then?

When did I say anything about trips to the finals? Dude look your fighting with yourself I honestly ya e zero idea what you’re even talking about. My exact quote was improving on this part season would be advancing past the second round.

 

[bruinmann77]

so i wonder if it be a 4th rounder for Krug

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Watch Pittsburgh.

If there is one GM that can and will dump cap space its Rutherford.

Have to feel sorry for Pittsburgh fans for the job he has done recently.

 

[remer]

Well Detroit has alot of draft picks 3-2nds, 2- 3rds and 2-4ths.
Maybe swing a move by sending another player and Krug's rights for a decent draft pick or two.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Watch Pittsburgh.

If there is one GM that can and will dump cap space its Rutherford.

If Krug is given the green light to jump into the rush as he sees fit playing with Crosby/Malkin he's going to tear it up.

I mean look what they did with Justin Shultz a few years back

 

[member 96824]

Going back to the Bruins cup year, PP opportunities per game have increased from the regular season to the playoffs in all seasons except for one.

2019-2020* = +0.55 PP opp. per game in the playoffs
2018-2019 = +0.25 PP/g in the playoffs
2017-2018 = +0.19 PP/g in the playoffs
2016-2017 = +0.14 PP/g in the playoffs
2015-2016 = +0.16 PP/g in the playoffs
2014-2015 = -0.14 PP/g in the playoffs
2013-2014 = +0.31 PP/g in the playoffs
2012-2013 = +0.04 PP/g in the playoffs
2011-2012 = +0.44 PP/g in the playoffs
2010-2011 = +0.40 PP/g in the playoffs

	Total Reg. Seas. PP opp	Reg. Seas. Games	Reg. Season. PP opp/game	Total Playoff PP opp	Playoff Games	Playoff PP opp/game
2019-2020*	6435	2164	2.974	908	258	3.519
2018-2019	7412	2542	2.916	550	174	3.161
2017-2018	7735	2542	3.043	543	168	3.232
2016-2017	7349	2460	2.987	544	174	3.126
2015-2016	7656	2460	3.112	596	182	3.275
2014-2015	7521	2460	3.057	520	178	2.921
2013-2014	8055	2460	3.274	667	186	3.586
2012-2013	4785	1440	3.323	578	172	3.360
2011-2012	8133	2460	3.306	644	172	3.744
2010-2011	8716	2460	3.543	702	178	3.944

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Holy cow...king. Unbelievable stats, thanks for pulling those. Interesting numbers, definitely has been feeling like that was the case.

 

[Gordoff]

The problem here is that you're missing the reason they've lost in the playoffs the last three years: 5 on 5 offense, where they were 18th this year and 18th over the past 3 years. It doesn't matter what they do if they don't fix that.

Losing Krug will probably make the powerplay worse. The small sample size says they perform just as well when he's been out (injury or otherwise), but let's just throw out that small sample size and say they'll be worse for this argument.

Krug is the most protected defenseman in the league (i.e. has the most offensive zone starts) and he still isn't a good 5-on-5 defenseman. It's entirely possible that using the money allocated for him on a forward will improve your 5-on-5 offense enough to more than cover the drop in powerplay, and then you add on top of that the fact a strength (5-on-5 defense) will become an even bigger strength.

There's too much talk in this thread about "How will we ever replace Krug on the powerplay?" and "Krug's worth or not worth $X per year for X years" when the talk should be all about what's the best use of that money. While it sucks to say this because he's been a great Bruin, that money can be put to better use on someone other than Krug. Now, do I trust Sweeney to use that money correctly? Not particularly. But you can't go into next year thinking you can just run it back and hope the 5-on-5 scoring issue will be magically fixed. Maybe it backfires, but you have to try something different.

Perfect analysis. Signing him for a higher rate when he is what he is and he isn't going to magically become Dennis Seidenberg isn't prudent. If/when they get a draft pick for him and IF/WHEN they make the changes that are screaming to be made I'll be surprised. IMO Sweeney loves each and every defenseman that we have and would love to keep them all. He's also mediocre in picking and acquiring forward talent. The only two that I can think of that were valuable additions were Coyle and Johansson. While I'll be glad if he gets a good pick for TK, I'll be holding my breath when it's time to cash it in.

 

[Tbaybruin]

Krug losing his shot makes the loss easier to take. I think McAvoy can be just fine as a PP1 option.

Charlie hasn’t shown that ability. He’s great but not Krug great on the PP

 

[Over the volcano]

If we’re all taking about improving the teams overall success, and that means playoff success, then it’s worth remembering that he’s the most productive defenseman they have in the playoffs and the best playoff mentality/intensity on their blue line. The lack of it across the roster has been a flaw in the team and sunk them this year. His loss only makes it worse.

 

[Flannelman]

Have to feel sorry for Pittsburgh fans for the job he has done recently.

I’ll never feel sorry for them

Honestly, I wasn’t surprised they weren’t gifted Lafreniere

 

[Scruffy]

Charlie hasn’t shown that ability. He’s great but not Krug great on the PP

And how much opportunity on PP1 has Charlie gotten?

 

[Saxon Eric]

And how much opportunity on PP1 has Charlie gotten?

And he's 8 years older

 

[member 96824]

Charlie hasn’t shown that ability. He’s great but not Krug great on the PP

It’s probably worth noting that Cassidy said he’s weighing going 5 forwards(assumption 37,88,63,74,46) over Chuck or Gryz bumping up to unit 1 if the front office lets Krug go.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

 

[EON]

Sucks to see Krug go but I fully believe Grzelcyk or McAvoy can replace him on PP #1 (preferably Grzelcyk, with McAvoy's minutes being used more for 5v5 and 4v5) and they will be just fine. Hopefully they can get at least a 4th for his rights.

 

[Scruffy]

It’s probably worth noting that Cassidy said he’s weighing going 5 forwards(assumption 37,88,63,74,46) over Chuck or Gryz bumping up to unit 1 if the front office lets Krug go.

Sweet, even more SHG opportunities against!

 

[ON3M4N]

Sweet, even more SHG opportunities against!

What's the difference between the offensively minded Krug vs a offensively minded forward?

 

[Ace0813]

Will suck to see him go. Wish we could've gotten over the hump in one of the runs with him. I remember the years we clamored for a PMD and boy, was this guy the prescription.

Good luck Torey.