Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

[BMC]

Food for thought: Krug is on pace for 71 points right now. If we had a similarly aged forward who was to hit 71 points what would you be willing to pay him? Is Krug worth that? More? Or less?

Well God knows the Bruins won't be paying him for his defense. A winger like that would command tons of cash, say 6.5 million+??? I can't see paying that to Krug, not with the Bruins having to eventually pay guys like Charlie McAvoy, who IMO if he can stay healthy will be a Norris Trophy candidate/winner and David Pastrnak after his present deal expires. Everybody raves about his offense on a team that is offensively challenged right now but there is no reason to think the team is going to be permanently unable to score.

 

[patty59]

Yeah, we can hang onto Krug; don't need help on offense. My bad.

No. you're right. Let's get rid of a 60 point d-man to shore up the 3rd line.

 

[NDiesel]

Well God knows the Bruins won't be paying him for his defense. A winger like that would command tons of cash, say 6.5 million+??? I can't see paying that to Krug, not with the Bruins having to eventually pay guys like Charlie McAvoy, who IMO if he can stay healthy will be a Norris Trophy candidate/winner and David Pastrnak after his present deal expires. Everybody raves about his offense on a team that is offensively challenged right now but there is no reason to think the team is going to be permanently unable to score.

His defensive woes are being so overblown these days. He's not overpowered any more than Gryz is, yet lots of people prefer Gryz over him. He's less of a turnover machine than Chara or Miller yet people act like he's the cause of every goal.

For years these forums shit on Bruins management for not allowing so called 'one-dimensional' players to play their game (Hamilton, Spooner, Kessel, Seguin) and now we have a guy who largely is one dimensional and all we can dwell on is the part of his game that needs improvement. He's never going to be Chara-like defensively but I disagree that he's as bad as he's made out to be.

On the other side I do agree that what he is going to get is going to be a large price tag. I don't know that I would give him Shattenkirk money to stay.

 

[Dr Hook]

Krug is no defensive wall, and I think Grizz is better defensively, but I agree with @WithOutPaperss that Krug is not as bad as he's made out to be. Even if he were, he makes goals happen. For a team that has problems with scoring outside of the top line, it would be crazy to move Krug and his offense right now. If in the next year or two one of the young D-men- Grizz, UV, JZ, McAvoy- show that they can replace his production back there, then okay. That isn't true yet. I also don't think the Bruins can afford to pay Krug Shattenkirk money and don't think they will.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Torey Krug’s Best season offensively is about 8.5% better than Dennis Wideman’s best season (.7 vs .78 ppg). Nobody will argue that Krug isn’t elite offensively, he is. Wideman’s worst season +/- was the year after the trade in Florida, he was a -19. No one missed Wideman at that point, he was terrible for Florida but improved when he got to Washington. Krug is on pace this year to be -24. At what point do fans stop excusing every time he gets beat with it’s ok, he’s an offensive defenseman. Krug was over a ppg in the playoffs last year and still somehow a -5.

If the team were to trade him for a top 6 RW that produces a little less offense, but you replace Krug with a better defenseman, wouldn’t that help the goal differential?

 

[Dr Hook]

Torey Krug’s Best season offensively is about 8.5% better than Dennis Wideman’s best season (.7 vs .78 ppg). Nobody will argue that Krug isn’t elite offensively, he is. Wideman’s worst season +/- was the year after the trade in Florida, he was a -19. No one missed Wideman at that point, he was terrible for Florida but improved when he got to Washington. Krug is on pace this year to be -24. At what point do fans stop excusing every time he gets beat with it’s ok, he’s an offensive defenseman. Krug was over a ppg in the playoffs last year and still somehow a -5.

If the team were to trade him for a top 6 RW that produces a little less offense, but you replace Krug with a better defenseman, wouldn’t that help the goal differential?

If they could figure out how to stop letting in shorties, that would help the +/- stats for Krug considerably-they've let in 9 this year, most of them with Krug out there. Sure, he is to blame for a piece of that, but it is also on the rest of the PP guys to knock that crap off.

 

[Mainehockey33]

If they could figure out how to stop letting in shorties, that would help the +/- stats for Krug considerably-they've let in 9 this year, most of them with Krug out there. Sure, he is to blame for a piece of that, but it is also on the rest of the PP guys to knock that crap off.

The main problem is that Krug likes to play the halfwall, so that means Pastrnak is left at the point. Pastrnak is the last person you want playing defense lol.

 

[NDiesel]

Torey Krug’s Best season offensively is about 8.5% better than Dennis Wideman’s best season (.7 vs .78 ppg). Nobody will argue that Krug isn’t elite offensively, he is. Wideman’s worst season +/- was the year after the trade in Florida, he was a -19. No one missed Wideman at that point, he was terrible for Florida but improved when he got to Washington. Krug is on pace this year to be -24. At what point do fans stop excusing every time he gets beat with it’s ok, he’s an offensive defenseman. Krug was over a ppg in the playoffs last year and still somehow a -5.

If the team were to trade him for a top 6 RW that produces a little less offense, but you replace Krug with a better defenseman, wouldn’t that help the goal differential?

I feel like people forget that after Wideman was traded the Bruins were trying so hard to find a puck moving defenseman for a couple years that they brought in some pretty brutal acquisitions to fill the void. They traded for Tomas Kaberle the year after Wideman was gone. They gave Matt Hunwick and Steven Kampfer a shot as their PMD that same year too. The year after that they went out and brought in Joe Corvo. The year after that? They drafted Dougie, but also went and brought in Wade Redden and gave Bartkowski some games.

Their search ended that year when Krug played in the playoffs and earned his spot.

It's going to be an exact repeat unless they have a solid replacement for him, and I don't yet trust that Gryz, Vaak, Zboril, etc. is going to be that person to replace what he brings from the backend.

EDIT: Also, Wideman had 50 points once in his career while with the Bruins and dropped down to 30 his last season in Boston. I don't see how Krug's trajectory is remotely similar. Also he was not a -30, he was -26 on a Florida team who was 3rd last in the league

 

[Mainehockey33]

I feel like people forget that after Wideman was traded the Bruins were trying so hard to find a puck moving defenseman for a couple years that they brought in some pretty brutal acquisitions to fill the void. They traded for Tomas Kaberle the year after Wideman was gone. They gave Matt Hunwick and Steven Kampfer a shot as their PMD that same year too. The year after that they went out and brought in Joe Corvo. The year after that? They drafted Dougie, but also went and brought in Wade Redden and gave Bartkowski some games.

Their search ended that year when Krug played in the playoffs and earned his spot.

It's going to be an exact repeat unless they have a solid replacement for him, and I don't yet trust that Gryz, Vaak, Zboril, etc. is going to be that person.

Grzelcyk and Mcavoy are already better puck movers than Wideman or anyone they had after him and before Krug. Even Carlo is more mobile than most of the defensemen they had in 2011. If they could trade Krug and a pick for a top 6 RW I think that puts them closer to where they were in 2011 and Krug’s spot will go to a better defensive defenseman, so we’d be harder to score on in the postseason.

 

[NDiesel]

Grzelcyk and Mcavoy are already better puck movers than Wideman or anyone they had after him and before Krug. Even Carlo is more mobile than most of the defensemen they had in 2011. If they could trade Krug and a pick for a top 6 RW I think that puts them closer to where they were in 2011 and Krug’s spot will go to a better defensive defenseman, so we’d be harder to score on in the postseason.

"Harder to score on" We're 3rd best in the league in Goals Against, I don't think that's necessarily what we need to work on. If they can get the right top 6 acquisition then I'm all for it considering I don't think Krug will be worth his price tag. But if Krug is such a liability, why does any team want him in the first place?

 

[The don godfather]

Torey krug should be a bruin for life. He's almost a point a game on D . Where can you find that in the nhl today?

 

[NDiesel]

Torey krug should be a bruin for life. He's almost a point a game on D . Where can you find that in the nhl today?

Erik Karlsson and a handful of others

 

[Mainehockey33]

"Harder to score on" We're 3rd best in the league in Goals Against, I don't think that's necessarily what we need to work on. If they can get the right top 6 acquisition then I'm all for it considering I don't think Krug will be worth his price tag. But if Krug is such a liability, why does any team want him in the first place?

Look at a guy like Chiarelli, he’s always been desperate for an elite offensive D. I’m not saying he holds no value because he’s suspect defensively, I’m just saying that I don’t think the Bruins need his offense as much as they need a scoring winger.

I just think he was exploited last year in the playoffs and teams like Washington and Tampa will gameplan around wearing Krug down.

 

[13Hockey]

Points by D last 3 seasons

Krug is a elite offensive D one of the best in the entire NHL

the defense drives the offense take him out of our lineup and our fowards and offense will struggle

Krug will be extremely hard to replace

 

[False Start]

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Points by D last 3 seasons

Krug is a elite offensive D one of the best in the entire NHL

the defense drives the offense take him out of our lineup and our fowards and offense will struggle

Krug will be extremely hard to replace

Sadly the only comparison I see amongst his peers are Tyson Barrie who makes 5.5 million. Krug is better than Barrie.

How much can we afford to pay Krug?

 

[patty59]

I've been reading this place for over a decade and during the first half of it every single person here, every one, wanted a guy like Krug. Every. Single. Person.

Now people want him out of here for some secondary scoring.

The Wideman comparisons are stupid too.

Take a lap people.

 

[The don godfather]

I've been reading this place for over a decade and during the first half of it every single person here, every one, wanted a guy like Krug. Every. Single. Person.

Now people want him out of here for some secondary scoring.

The Wideman comparisons are stupid too.

Take a lap people.

I remember torey destroyed the rangers in playoffs 2013. He's a series changer. Sign him Donny.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I've been reading this place for over a decade and during the first half of it every single person here, every one, wanted a guy like Krug. Every. Single. Person.

Now people want him out of here for some secondary scoring.

The Wideman comparisons are stupid too.

Take a lap people.

Why are the Wideman comparisons stupid? Neither are great skaters and do most of their damage in the offensive zone. Wideman had a better shot while Krug likes to roam and look for a pass. I think both players look for an outlet pass instead of carrying the puck themselves.

I think this is the type of move you have to make if you want to win a cup. It’s risky, you have to believe Mcavoy will continue to progress, and I’d also love to have Lauzon on the team against Tampa or Washington. We need more size on the backend.

 

[13Hockey]

Why are the Wideman comparisons stupid? Neither are great skaters and do most of their damage in the offensive zone. Wideman had a better shot while Krug likes to roam and look for a pass. I think both players look for an outlet pass instead of carrying the puck themselves.

I think this is the type of move you have to make if you want to win a cup. It’s risky, you have to believe Mcavoy will continue to progress, and I’d also love to have Lauzon on the team against Tampa or Washington. We need more size on the backend.

Don’t see how where lacking size on D

Starting 6 in Postseason

Chara 6’9 250
Carlo 6’5 215
McAvoy 6’0 200
Miller 6’2 210
Moore 6’2 210
Krug 5’9 185

 

[Mainehockey33]

Don’t see how where lacking size on D

Starting 6 in Postseason

Chara 6’9 250
Carlo 6’5 215
McAvoy 6’0 200
Miller 6’2 210
Moore 6’2 210
Krug 5’9 185

I guess I’m talking about having Grzelcyk and Krug on at the same time. I go back and forth on trading Krug because I think in a more sheltered role he’d be fine, then I think about the need for a scoring winger. Idk

 

[Sevendust]

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Points by D last 3 seasons

Krug is a elite offensive D one of the best in the entire NHL

the defense drives the offense take him out of our lineup and our fowards and offense will struggle

Krug will be extremely hard to replace

I also took a look at the numbers, but was more interested about the Bruins defenseman. Its absolutely clear that Krug is by far our best offensive defenseman and has almost doubled the points to the second placed Chara.
How he still can manage to have a plus minus like that is mind baffling. I know the numbers arent everything but being a minus 10 despite putting up that numbers shows that Torey isnt very good in playing D, but that what is required to come far in the playoffs.

BTW 85 of those points came on the power play so he couldnt get a plus for that. Next best is Chara with 14 points.

 

[GoBs]

If they could figure out how to stop letting in shorties, that would help the +/- stats for Krug considerably-they've let in 9 this year, most of them with Krug out there. Sure, he is to blame for a piece of that, but it is also on the rest of the PP guys to knock that crap off.

Can Krug stay up top and allow Pasta to shoot from the left dot

 

[BruinDust]

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Points by D last 3 seasons

Krug is a elite offensive D one of the best in the entire NHL

the defense drives the offense take him out of our lineup and our fowards and offense will struggle

Krug will be extremely hard to replace

He's No.5 in the league among all D in points-per-minute played

He was No.2 last year.

He's an elite player at what he does, produce offense while playing the D-man position.

 

[PB37]

Krug just roasted Marchand on twitter, hahahaha

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

No. you're right. Let's get rid of a 60 point d-man to shore up the 3rd line.

Third line?
We don't have a real 2nd line.
McAvoy, if he can stay healthy, will be able to provide just as much offense as Krug, but with better D.
You want another year of both Krug and Chara?? I don't.
Krug has value; we're not going to get a quality winger by offering a team chopped liver in return.
You can deal Krecji or you can deal Krug. It's gotta be one of them since our $8 million tied up in Beleskey and Backes ain't going anywhere.
Krecji or Krug, which one's it gonna be?
Keep both, and Chara and kiss a deep playoff run goodbye.