The Sedins Were Stars at Best Who had Each Other. Not HHOF Worthy.

[Pockets16]

Agreed op. Some people here talk like the Sedins were PPG their whole careers and had multiple 100+ seasons.

 

[Spazkat]

casuals will always have terrible takes.

HOF discussions aside, watching them from 2009-2011 was incredible.

there was a stretch of 25 games-ish back in 2010 where they won 90% of them and each game was complete and utter dominance. they'd gain the zone like nothing, a few (or way more) sauces later highlight reel goal. there would literally be 10-15 TV worthy highlight real plays a game, every game, no exception.

it was so different than they way other superstars dominated in the past (Avs/Wings years, Pens/Hawks/Kings etc) in that it was with so much ease. opposing teams would just sit back and be like "uh oh" and Sedins would have their way. puck possession on a different scale.

hard to explain but those who watched know.

Are you seriously trying to make a case for players being inducted into the HOF because of one 25 game stretch?

 

[Chimpradamus]

They were supreme talents but I do think they benefited a lot from the previous iteration of hockey (one that was more slower, methodical, and cycle based and not this run and gun style we have today)

Kind of like how Orr benefited from half of his opponents barely knew how to skate, the other half barely knew how to handle a puck, all while they drank alcohol and smoked during intermissions. All while the goalies had almost figured out it's a good idea to have a mask when you try to save a puck made out of vulcanized rubber.

 

[Chimpradamus]

The Sedins have identical PPG averages for their careers, unfortunately, it's only .80 points per game

If you're known for your offense, averaging 65 - 66 points per season over the course of your career shouldn't warrant induction into the Hall of Fame

Naslund averaged .86 points per game for his career, but nobody is pushing for his induction

Turgeon still hasn't been inducted, despite averaging 1.03 points per game in nearly 1300 games

Did you just miss the "22 minutes of Sedin domination shifts" video? It's one thing to score points. It's another to consistently dominate your shifts where your opponents don't want to play anymore.

Näslund was a great player. But he never dominated the opponents like the Sedins did. Barely anyone did. Even when they didn't score, they tilted the ice and strangled the energy of the opposition.

 

[playasRus]

So being a star having another star on your line is seen as a detriment to your accomplishments? Ovie better demand to be traded away from Backstrom...

 

[Kuznetsnow]

OP's tone probably rubbed some people the wrong way but given who still hasn't made it to the HHOF they're bordeline. If they weren't twins but had their career they'd still be more than respectable but wouldn't have quite the same hype aura round them.

 

[DobHoc]

Art Ross for one twin...Art Ross for the other twin the next year....Hart trophy and other trophys....how is it Sedins fault they played in a crappy team!?

 

[Beukeboom]

They were boring as hell, I do agree with that. I also can't stand they played together like babies, and how soft they were. But Arts and Harts are hard to neglect. That literally means you're the best player in the NHL that season. Fleury as good as he was, can not claim that.

 

[OG Eberle]

They were boring as hell, I do agree with that. I also can't stand they played together like babies, and how soft they were. But Arts and Harts are hard to neglect. That literally means you're the best player in the NHL that season. Fleury as good as he was, can not claim that.

Wait, wat?

You can't possibly still be talking about the Sedin's with a statement like that?

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

A lot of people say Alfredsson is a good example of a great player who isn't quite hall-worthy so he's probably a good comparison here. Like the Sedins he has no Cup but did make the finals once. But unlike the Sedins he doesn't have any major awards while the Sedins each have an Art Ross and Henrik has a Hart so they definitely peaked better than Alfredsson did. Alfie does edge them out in all-time points and breezes past them in goals and especially points-per-game.

All-time rankings:

Alfredsson
54th in points
63rd in goals
92nd in points-per-game

Henrik
65th in points
340th in goals
176th in points-per-game

Daniel
74th in points
106th in goals
187th in points-per-game

My opinion is that peaking with Hart/Art Ross performances is more hall-worthy than a Alfie's better career stat-wise so I think there is a stronger case for them but they aren't shoe-ins due to their very short window of dominance. They're a good example of being right around the line of what should be considered a hall-worthy career.

 

[Beukeboom]

A lot of people say Alfredsson is a good example of a great player who isn't quite hall-worthy so he's probably a good comparison here. Like the Sedins he has no Cup but did make the finals once. But unlike the Sedins he doesn't have any major awards while the Sedins each have an Art Ross and Henrik has a Hart so they definitely peaked better than Alfredsson did. Alfie does edge them out in all-time points and breezes past them in goals and especially points-per-game.

All-time rankings:

Alfredsson
54th in points
63rd in goals
92nd in points-per-game

Henrik
65th in points
340th in goals
176th in points-per-game

Daniel
74th in points
106th in goals
187th in points-per-game

My opinion is that peaking with Hart/Art Ross performances is more hall-worthy than a Alfie's better career stat-wise so I think there is a stronger case for them but they aren't shoe-ins due to their very short window of dominance. They're a good example of being right around the line of what should be considered a hall-worthy career.

You've got a good point. If an Art is what it takes, Jamie Benn has to be inducted as well, and even Perry/ Hall if counting Harts. Still the Sedins have both so that puts them in a better position.

 

[Hynh]

Whatever happened to career goals and pts?

These guys were just good players who never won a championship. Always had each other.

Not HHOF Worthy.

Compilers don't deserve the Hall of Fame.

 

[Neutrinos]

A lot of people say Alfredsson is a good example of a great player who isn't quite hall-worthy so he's probably a good comparison here. Like the Sedins he has no Cup but did make the finals once. But unlike the Sedins he doesn't have any major awards while the Sedins each have an Art Ross and Henrik has a Hart so they definitely peaked better than Alfredsson did. Alfie does edge them out in all-time points and breezes past them in goals and especially points-per-game.

All-time rankings:

Alfredsson
54th in points
63rd in goals
92nd in points-per-game

Henrik
65th in points
340th in goals
176th in points-per-game

Daniel
74th in points
106th in goals
187th in points-per-game

My opinion is that peaking with Hart/Art Ross performances is more hall-worthy than a Alfie's better career stat-wise so I think there is a stronger case for them but they aren't shoe-ins due to their very short window of dominance. They're a good example of being right around the line of what should be considered a hall-worthy career.

Henrik only won the Hart & Ross because Ovechkin missed quite a few games that season

Henrik only averaged about 0.02 more points-per-game than Daniel that season, so it's not like Henrik was clearly the most dominant player on his own team (yes, Daniel missed some games as well)

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Henrik only won the Hart & Ross because Ovechkin missed quite a few games that season

Or some might say, Henrik won it because he's more durable.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

OP's tone probably rubbed some people the wrong way but given who still hasn't made it to the HHOF they're bordeline. If they weren't twins but had their career they'd still be more than respectable but wouldn't have quite the same hype aura round them.

Again: the HHOF admits 3-4 NHLers each year. We've still got many, many years before the Crosby/ Ovechkin/Malkin group becomes eligible (7-10 years). Who are the ~35 players you have ahead of them getting in?

 

[CascadiaPuck]

Henrik only won the Hart & Ross because Ovechkin missed quite a few games that season

Henrik only averaged about 0.02 more points-per-game than Daniel that season, so it's not like Henrik was clearly the most dominant player on his own team (yes, Daniel missed some games as well)

Meh. Diminishing the season where Henrik Sedin had one of the highest point totals seen since the 05/06 lockout is lame. So is ignoring that some of those missed games for Ovi were due to suspension. Ovi didn't get there - period. The Bruins "only" won the Cup in 2011 because the Canucks were gutted with injuries... except 1) that isn't completely true and 2) actually playing the games matters.

And Re: Henrik earning the Hart, Daniel Sedin missed a quarter of the season. Henrik was an absolute force during that time (lower PPG, but weirdly productive goal scoring). It was recognized.

 

[Sports2]

should be borderline but realistically they'll be shooed in.

 

[Dolemite]

That might be a bit of a pissy sounding title, but listening to Vancouver sports radio over the last few days and there's this local feeling (and growing support league-wide) that these guys should get in the HHOF.

No bloody way.

If these two get in, give Theo Fleury two spots.

This is all BS politics.

Did I like these guys? Sure. Were they classy? Sure. Were they skilled? Yes. Were they superstars? Hell no. Anyone with a brain and saw them regularly saw them as good players, brothers who had each other for support the whole time they played, never won a cup, and were never that exciting to watch. Their stats don't warrant them being in.

Daniel Sedin had 1041 pts in 1306 games for .79 ppg. Finished with 393 goals. Had a Hart Trophy and Lindsey Trophy in 10/11 but that was with 41 goals, 104 pts in a year where Crosby was injured and only played 41 games. No Stanley Cups.

Henrik Sedin had 1070 pts in 1330 games for a .80 ppg. He won the Hart and Art Ross in 09/10 sure, with 29 goals. Finished his career with only 240 goals. No Stanley Cups.

Those are NOT Hockey Hall of Fame numbers, by either of them. I can remember all of about 2 plays by the Sedins. There are some damn questionable HHOF inclusions but the Sedins would be at or near the top IMO. I'd look to watch a Stamkos game and of course an Ovechkin or Crosby game. Never ever a Sedin game.

Meanwhile a 5'6" kid who would carve your eye out to compete against anyone, molested repeatedly by a Junior coach, never given a chance at making it amongst grown men, scores 51 goals in a season, wins a Stanley Cup and a Olympic gold, plays at over a ppg for his career (even though being on many crap Flames teams in the 90s once they had sold off all of their talent), succumbs his career to alcoholism but submits to the NHL's substance abuse program and overcomes his illness to return and retire a Flame.

No way in hell a Sedin should get in and a Theo Fleury doesn't. No way.

And full respect to the Sedins on good careers. But their careers were just that, good. Not great. Sorry if that hurts to hear.

Once again an Armchair GM needs to be taught that it’s the HOCKEY Hall of Fame and not the NHL hall of game. Their non NHL work makes Them More than HHOF worthy.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

As an Oiler fan they're easily Hall of Famers. The individual accolades are too much to ignore.

 

[Stephen]

The Hockey Hall of Fame just doesn't have the extremely picky standards some fans imagine. The Sedins had great careers and were really, really important to the city of Vancouver, which is really important franchise to the NHL. Hence Hall of Fame worthy. And one day, Theo Fleury will join a bunch of borderline Flames HHOF members like Nieuwendyk and Mullen and must reasonable people's response will be "great, good for him."

 

[VanJack]

What a ridiculous thread. Henrik actually won the Art Ross the year his brother was injured for the last month of the season. As 1,000 point players, they're automatic first-ballot Hall of Famers.

But it isn't just their play in the NHL, which some posters seem to want to nitpick....It's also the Olympic medals and World Championship teams in which they starred on the bigger ice.

But still a shocker that two years after they retired, there are still so many Sedin-haters on these boards.

 

[Mathew Barzal]

Wait, wat?

You can't possibly still be talking about the Sedin's with a statement like that?

I liken this kind of opinion to the same that hates Barcelona when they were in top form with their tiki tika game. It's a masterclass in possession but if you're getting dominated by it or enjoy excitement of north-south games then it won't be for you.

 

[Samzilla]

There is not a single eligible player in history with an art ross and hart trophy not in the hall of fame.

There is not a single eligible player in history with an art ross and lindsay trophy not in the hall of fame.

Throw in the fact the twins have olympic and world championship gold to boot, plus they both have over 1k career points, the twins not making it in would actually be an anomaly.

Calling them borderline is delusional. They're locks based on precedent.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

And we're supposed to give the Vancouver beat reporter's thoughts on the Sedin's extra weight or something? He'd literally be run out of town if he said anything else, so not exactly impartial opinion

Or you could consider the message instead of the messenger.

 

[deepthoughtsleafs]

Wait, wat?

You can't possibly still be talking about the Sedin's with a statement like that?

I mean if the man finds cycling boring then it's boring. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe you love cycling so much that you watch your laundry perform the spin cycle for the entire duration while watching the Tour De France for the whole event. No one's gonna judge you for that, and if they do, who cares. No one can stop you from watching the cycle.