The Office of Strategic Planning - Tank Talk

[AKL]

I still don’t know if it was the center vs winger thing that kept Boldy from getting points. He really hasn’t “stepped up his play” from what I’ve seen. It’s just that now the points are coming. It could be something totally unrelated to position, but now with the confirmation bias in the form of points, we may never know.

I’d still love to try him at center when he gets to Iowa.

Is something around Dumba for Necas a pipedream? Seems like the Canes fans hate that idea.

Canes fans hate it, I think Russo speculated that Carolina isn’t so interested in moving Necas, but strictly speaking, Dumba is the type of defenseman you’d move a Necas for if you’re looking for a defenseman with term.

I don’t think it’ll happen, and I’m not even sure if Guerin is interested in the deal, but it’s my black horse deadline deal if Carolina strikes out on other defensemen with that 1st rounder.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Is something around Dumba for Necas a pipedream? Seems like the Canes fans hate that idea.

Very much so. The Canes are in such an odd position...but Dumba's value is pretty low.

Crazy idea would be to move both Dumba and Brodin (we don't have a ton of depth at left with defense) in a 3 team deal. Have Soucy, Belpedio and Menell all up. And then add in Addison next season.

To Toronto: Brodin

To Minnesota: Necas + Toronto's 1st

To Carolina: Kapanen + Dumba + Greenway

Something centered around that

 

[AKL]

Very much so. The Canes are in such an odd position...but Dumba's value is pretty low.

Crazy idea would be to move both Dumba and Brodin (we don't have a ton of depth at left with defense) in a 3 team deal. Have Soucy, Belpedio and Menell all up. And then add in Addison next season.

To Toronto: Brodin

To Minnesota: Necas + Toronto's 1st

To Carolina: Kapanen + Dumba + Greenway

Something centered around that

I know Necas is a pretty solid asset, but that’s awful value for Minnesota and Toronto somehow makes out like bandits with Kapanen for Brodin.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I know Necas is a pretty solid asset, but that’s awful value for Minnesota and Toronto somehow makes out like bandits with Kapanen for Brodin.

Notice I said something centered around that. Not necessarily that exactly. It'd probably Brodin for Kapanen + Dermott (or someone) and their 2021 1st or something like that, in terms of a mixture.

 

[AKL]

Notice I said something centered around that. Not necessarily that exactly. It'd probably Brodin for Kapanen + Dermott (or someone) and their 2021 1st or something like that, in terms of a mixture.

Yeah I mean Dermott or their 2021 1st would have to be coming back to Minnesota at the absolute least.

It’s also really bold to think Addison will be an NHL player next season.

 

[thestonedkoala]

It’s also really bold to think Addison will be an NHL player next season.

He'll probably need a season or two in the AHL, but you never know. Belpedio and Menell should be up here.

 

[57special]

Unless you get blown away with a deal, you don't trade Brodin, Staal, or Dumba at the TDL. Any team in a hurry to do a TDL deal is, by definition, a playoff hopeful, and will not have any players to spare, or a high pick to give up. Also, two of the three should have long futures with the team, and Staal will, at the very least, be an asset next year, if not beyond. Until we start developing C's, he and JEE are the best we got. In any event, no rush to move him. he'll still have value next year.

I think we are better off trying to move one of Hunt/Pateryn, maybe Donato. Kinda like Foligno, but he's not the sort of player who ages well, so if you can get a late 1st, or a 2nd+3rd, then you move him. Moving Rask/Zuccarello is probably a pipe dream, but Guerin would impress the hell out of me if he could get that done.

Greenway/Kunin would take a great offer to move, IMO. Fiala and JEE are near untouchable.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Unless you get blown away with a deal, you don't trade Brodin, Staal, or Dumba at the TDL. Any team in a hurry to do a TDL deal is, by definition, a playoff hopeful, and will not have any players to spare, or a high pick to give up. Also, two of the three should have long futures with the team, and Staal will, at the very least, be an asset next year, if not beyond. Until we start developing C's, he and JEE are the best we got. In any event, no rush to move him. he'll still have value next year.

Staal should be moved next deadline (expiring contract, center, veteran). Brodin could be moved along with Dumba as they represent the highest value and the Wild have a strong defensive core. Losing one or both maybe good for the development of the organization. I mean Tampa Bay is a playoff hopeful and still had a 1st and a player to spare (Foote). Dumba and Brodin may not have a long future with this team, especially with the expansion draft.

 

[Spurgeon]

I would think that Staal would re-up here for another 2 yr deal around a $3M AAV cap hit. With the current uncertainty at our center position, I feel like he really would contribute positive value for at least the next 3 years. With any FA Top 6 center surely getting 6M+, I feel like it benefits us more to keep him around. His trade value would likely stay around the same point over those years, barring some insane drop off that I don't think is coming.

 

[MuckOG]

Yeah, I'm not sure why we're in such a hurry to move Staal. It's not like we have a bunch of young center prospects waiting in the wings....

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Yeah, I'm not sure why we're in such a hurry to move Staal. It's not like we have a bunch of young center prospects waiting in the wings....

Or a summer market full of other options.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I’m a bit worried. This Buffalo team is about the 2nd worst team I’ve watched all year. I think we end ahead of them, unfortunately

 

[AKL]

We really aren’t getting a ton of help today

 

[57special]

I think we'll end up with around 82 points, one less than last year. Four team that ended up below us last year will likely surpass us this year, NYR, PHI, EDM, VAN. CHI should finish right around us, WPG maybe a bit higher.

 

[fentonsbrainchild]

The thing that’s tough about cheering for the tank is that the teams you need to win usually lose

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I think we finish 9th last. I think Chicago passes us in the standings, but Buffalo and Montreal finish behind us. I think we get a good player, I’m just saying, prepare for it to be a winger.

 

[keppel146]

The Wild are so bad teams won’t even jump us in the standings. Buffalo lost to Ottawa, and Montreal lost to Detroit. Smh.

 

[57special]

I don't think that's the way it works.

 

[57special]

If we are picking 9th, and MTL is picking 8th, and Lundell and Raymond are still on the board, then I would offer MTL a pick( hopefully a 3rd, but even a 2nd) to move up so we could take Lundell. Raymond is a talented player, but we need C's that much. MTL has Suzuki, Danault, Domi, and Poehling who are all young C's. They just need forward talent. A guy like Raymond would be fine for them, if they also get a 2nd.

If we happened to win the lottery then I would make very public overtures to Bergevin about trading Lafreniere, just to f*** with them. The pressure to get the best Francophone since Lafleur to play for them would be immense...the public would be incensed if it was perceived that he had a chance to get Lafreniere and didn't.

 

[grN1g]

All we have to do boys is finish low enough so when we win the lottery it doesnt looked rigged. We got this.

 

[AKL]

All we have to do boys is finish low enough so when we win the lottery it doesnt looked rigged. We got this.

That’s why Boudreau was fired. Bettman already told Guerin they got a lottery pick if they miss the playoffs. Can’t get the pick if you don’t miss though.

 

[MuckOG]

Last night wasn't great for the tank, other than Winnipeg giving us a little cushion from that wild card spot.

 

[Olcoach]

I think our new coach is inadvertantly on board with the tank. According to the Strib he ran an uptempo practice yesterday which ended by skating 4 lengths of the rink. This should bode well for all the old legs towards the end of a long season.

 

[MuckOG]

Dubnyk between the pipes tonight.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

NYR wins, pushing 5 points ahead of us, but unfortunately this means Chicago had to lose. This is going to be a dog-fight.