The Jim Benning and Management Megathread - A step back towards the playoffs

[Bourne Endeavor]

The ducks have an internal cap? What is it? How have they gone on a signing spree?

They've had one for years. Murray has only recently been given the green light to spend beyond it for big ticket acquisitions, ala Kesler.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

They've had one for years. Murray has only recently been given the green light to spend beyond it for big ticket acquisitions, ala Kesler.

Perhaps but I don't think it was a huge factor in whether or not they signed Perrault. Perraults a guy a lot of teams had a chance on but missed, good on the Jets for seeing something a lot of teams missed (or they got lucky)

 

[Proto]

Perhaps but I don't think it was a huge factor in whether or not they signed Perrault. Perraults a guy a lot of teams had a chance on but missed, good on the Jets for seeing something a lot of teams missed (or they got lucky)

If only a bunch of number crunchers you routinely ignore had been able to predict that! Then maybe you'd change your opinion instead of making a bunch other excus -- oh! Haha. Nevermind.

 

[Verviticus]

Perraults a guy a lot of teams had a chance on but missed, good on the Jets for seeing something a lot of teams missed (or they got lucky)

well they missed on it because they are stupid

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

well they missed on it because they are stupid

Lots of stupid people out there I guess. That's the beauty of pro sports- some times a player slips through the cracks and still becomes a good or even great player and contributor.

 

[Addison Rae]

Lots of stupid people out there I guess. That's the beauty of pro sports- some times a player slips through the cracks and still becomes a good or even great player and contributor.

he was always good

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

he was always good

Define "always".

 

[vanuck]

If only a bunch of number crunchers you routinely ignore had been able to predict that! Then maybe you'd change your opinion instead of making a bunch other excus -- oh! Haha. Nevermind.

Never mind indeed.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Discussion:
Lets say the team finishes near the bottom of the league, and lands a top-5 pick in the 2016 draft (Lets say they managed to draft Chychrun so our pool has a top-end dman)

At the trade deadline, the team moves both Hamhuis and Vrbata, and gets a decent package of picks/prospects for the two. For the sake of argument lets say they both land mid-late 1sts and a B-prospect.

If we added those pieces to our existing prospect pool:
Would you consider that a good enough pool of prospects to say we are "finished" the rebuilding stage?

 

[Ainec]

Yes if we can make shrewd trades like Calgary

Only way to keep up with the rising teams like Edmonton and Colorado

 

[me2]

Discussion:
Lets say the team finishes near the bottom of the league, and lands a top-5 pick in the 2016 draft (Lets say they managed to draft Chychrun so our pool has a top-end dman)

At the trade deadline, the team moves both Hamhuis and Vrbata, and gets a decent package of picks/prospects for the two. For the sake of argument lets say they both land mid-late 1sts and a B-prospect.

If we added those pieces to our existing prospect pool:
Would you consider that a good enough pool of prospects to say we are "finished" the rebuilding stage?

Nope. I would want a #1 centre and another good defenseman.

I would be confident that the base of the rebuild is there though, there should be enough complimentary assets to fill out the bottom lines and the a good chunk of the top 6, but D could use more than just Chychurn.

You can always trade the extra picks and assets for the exact piece you need. Good news it it would be hard to turn around a 3rd overall drafting team anyway.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Nope. I would want a #1 centre.

Not harping on Virtanen, but man it would have been nice to have the 6th overall pick in 2013 instead of 2014

 

[WTG]

Discussion:
Lets say the team finishes near the bottom of the league, and lands a top-5 pick in the 2016 draft (Lets say they managed to draft Chychrun so our pool has a top-end dman)

At the trade deadline, the team moves both Hamhuis and Vrbata, and gets a decent package of picks/prospects for the two. For the sake of argument lets say they both land mid-late 1sts and a B-prospect.

If we added those pieces to our existing prospect pool:
Would you consider that a good enough pool of prospects to say we are "finished" the rebuilding stage?

Depends who we draft with the other 2 first rounders.

Honestly, I'd go for Matthews or bust.

You need a super star center nowadays in the league not a super star defenseman. Look at ottowa, Nashville, Minnesota, montreal. All have super star defenseman and meh centers.

Then look at Chicago, penguins, lightning, ducks ect..

 

[Verviticus]

i think thats coincidence. both defencemen and forwards are important

 

[Butcher]

i think thats coincidence. both defencemen and forwards are important

I agree. The last three teams to win a cup had Keith, Doughty or Chara on them, to go along with good forwards.

 

[Verviticus]

its a lot easier to predict forwards than defencemen, i feel. id much rather draft a centre than a D with a top 3 pick

 

[WTG]

i think thats coincidence. both defencemen and forwards are important

It might be.

But I don't think that to get a super star defenseman it has to be a top 5 pick. Many of the top defenseman aren't even picked top 10.

Whereas it's rare to get a super star center outside of the top 10 imo

 

[Verviticus]

yeah. that assertion is correct. I'd never take a d if a star c was available

 

[DFAC]

Not harping on Horvat, but man it would have been nice to have the 6th overall pick in 2013 instead of 2014

Nylander...............

 

[Intangibos]

Not harping on Horvat, but man it would have been nice to have the 6th overall pick in 2013 instead of 2014

Wasn't it reported that Gillis had Horvat ranked 3rd or something on his draft list?

Horvat really blew me away last year. I thought the question mark on his game was skating, but he was going end to end in the playoffs, blowing by defenders.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

It might be.

But I don't think that to get a super star defenseman it has to be a top 5 pick. Many of the top defenseman aren't even picked top 10.

Whereas it's rare to get a super star center outside of the top 10 imo

best centers in the league:

crosby
malkin
getzlaf (19)
tavares
toews
stamkos
giroux (22)
kopitar (11-- sobbbbb)
backstrom

[give or take a few guys...]

datsyuk (171)
zetterberg (210)

wow, in my head i was like "that's not true," but more than half of the best centers in the game were top three picks. that's pretty eye-opening.

 

[Proto]

best centers in the league:

crosby
malkin
getzlaf (19)
tavares
toews
stamkos
giroux (22)
kopitar (11-- sobbbbb)
backstrom

[give or take a few guys...]

datsyuk (171)
zetterberg (210)

wow, in my head i was like "that's not true," but more than half of the best centers in the game were top three picks. that's pretty eye-opening.

How do you not have Henrik Sedin on that list on a Canucks forum of all places?

Eric Staal would probably also qualify for that list, as would Thornton and Seguin and MacKinnon...

 

[WTG]

best centers in the league:

crosby
malkin
getzlaf (19)
tavares
toews
stamkos
giroux (22)
kopitar (11-- sobbbbb)
backstrom

[give or take a few guys...]

datsyuk (171)
zetterberg (210)

wow, in my head i was like "that's not true," but more than half of the best centers in the game were top three picks. that's pretty eye-opening.

Pretty crazy huh.

Compare that to the amount of star defenseman that drop out of the top 10

Subban, karlsson, Keith, weber, Chara, Buff, giordano

The only top 10 pick defenseman that is a star that I can think of is doughty. I don't consider sutter or pietrangello stars so I guess just him.

 

[VanillaCoke]

In retrospect it sure would've been nice to take Shea Theodore over shinkaruk. Or even better get him back for kesler and have both....
Ho hum

 

[kurt]

Using first rounders on defensemen or goaltenders is so, so risky.