LeBrun: Teams interested in Jake Gardiner

[Nikishin Go Boom]

There's not much chance Rod would allow Foegele to be moved by the management group. He was instrumental in the come back last night due to his high end disruption in the offensive zone and his forecheck.

X2 especially for a non-defense playing dude. Hoffman is great on the PP but our PP is alright so far.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Would the Canes have any interest in..........

1) Getting Ferland back
2) Brandon Sutter
3) Troy Stecher

for Gardiner?

 

[spockBokk]

A team probably asked about Gardiner and Waddell listened, that’s his job. I’d be pretty surprised if anything at all comes of it. Like has been said previously in the thread, CAR has been looking to move TVR or Fleury, not any of their guys with term. Sure, Gardiner has been underwhelming so far this year, but he appears to be coming around and just like Hamilton last season, he’ll likely figure it out as the season goes on.

I was more surprised yesterday hearing Edmundson’s same as “out there” from McKenzie. Again, that’s probably another team doing their due diligence on a guy playing well in CAR’s top 4 who’s likely not going to be back in CAR next season.

More than likely, nothing to see here, outside of a deal involving TVR, Fleury or Bean from Clt.

 

[Torontoborn]

Yep....Here's what he (Gardiner) had to say in a recent Athletic interview about the transition from Toronto to Carolina.


“It’s been great,” he said. “Team’s awesome. Weather is great. My wife likes it. Really good guys on the team. It’s been a pretty easy transition, to be honest.

“It is very interesting how, playing in Carolina, it’s basically like the polar opposite (of Toronto’s fan and media environment). If I have a bad game here, you’re not going to hear about it, really. In Toronto, if I scored a hat trick, I’m the best player in the league. If I’m dash three (minus-3) or something, it’s ‘We need to trade this guy.’ It’s very, very opposite.”

And???? When you get paid millions you should be criticized on your poor play.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

I’m no expert but I don’t think its good practice to sign a ufa and try to trade him for assets in his 1st year? Who’s going to want to sign there now?

Don Waddell is going to lose one of his Blackberries.

 

[spockBokk]

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Would the Canes have any interest in..........

1) Getting Ferland back
2) Brandon Sutter
3) Troy Stecher

for Gardiner?

I don’t think Gardiner is being actively shopped, it seems just that a few teams may have asked about him since he’s on a very friendly deal and he’s only playing 16mins a night on CAR’s very deep D.

None of those assets are appealing at all from a CAR perspective for Gardiner.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

There's not much chance Rod would allow Foegele to be moved by the management group. He was instrumental in the come back last night due to his high end disruption in the offensive zone and his forecheck.

Really good defensive player, watched the game against CGY last week and his PK/fore check was relentless, hence the two SHG, although one was an empty netter iirc. Noticed him a lot that game for obvious reasons.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Would the Canes have any interest in..........

1) Getting Ferland back
2) Brandon Sutter
3) Troy Stecher

for Gardiner?

1) oh no
2) nope, outside of being a righty, he is much more expensive version of Wallmark
3) decent rhd option but I don’t see a fit for us. We could keep TVR though.

 

[spockBokk]

Canes strategy is to sign guys and flip them for assets. Like deHaan

de Haan wasn’t really flipped for assets. I mean I guess you could call Forsberg and Forsling AHL assets. I’d personally rather have a healthy CDH.

He was more so dealt as a cap dump since they couldn’t find any takers for Faulk at the draft. They needed the space for the potential Aho offer sheet, so unfortunately CDH had to be the sacrificial lamb. Too bad for CDH as he really liked it in CAR, but it worked out for CAR as CDH is hurt again, even though it’s not the best look dealing a guy less than a year into his 4yr ufa deal.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Someone just told there is currently 31 teams interested in Mcdavid.

 

[GoldiFox]

Would the Canes have any interest in..........

1) Getting Ferland back
2) Brandon Sutter
3) Troy Stecher

for Gardiner?

Isn't Ferland on LTIR seeing a specialist for his umpteenth concussion? None of those pieces are interesting.

The offers in this thread are Cap dumps. The Canes aren't trying to get rid of Gardiner. The strength of the Canes as a team right now is their deep defense. They are 22-11-2 and playing very well. No reason to make a change unless a piece that makes the Canes better is coming back.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I believe Gardiner mentioned that 3-4 teams had made an offer, perhaps Carolina can deal with one of those teams if they're still interested in him.

f*** gardner. why should habs be interested in him now and help carolina? let him go somewhere else where his wife can golf.

 

[Horse McHindu]

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I don’t think Gardiner is being actively shopped, it seems just that a few teams may have asked about him since he’s on a very friendly deal and he’s only playing 16mins a night on CAR’s very deep D.

None of those assets are appealing at all from a CAR perspective for Gardiner.

Fair enough.

Carolina's blueline is much deeper and better than Vancouver's, and so I'd be estatic to have Gardiner.

What would the asking price be if the Canes were willing to move him?

Given how much we overwork Edler over here, he tends to get injured a lot.............and the Canucks tend to struggle mightily when Edler is out, largely because everyone on that left side has to move up to a position where they shouldn't be (while we're lucky that Hughes has developed and is more than capable of playing on the top pairing, guys like Jamie Benn shouldn't be playing on a 2nd pairing).

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

de Haan wasn’t really flipped for assets. I mean I guess you could call Forsberg and Forsling AHL assets. I’d personally rather have a healthy CDH.

He was more so dealt as a cap dump since they couldn’t find any takers for Faulk at the draft. They needed the space for the potential Aho offer sheet, so unfortunately CDH had to be the sacrificial lamb. Too bad for CDH as he really liked it in CAR, but it worked out for CAR as CDH is hurt again, even though it’s not the best look dealing a guy less than a year into his 4yr ufa deal.

The Aho offer sheet wasn’t a concern. We could have gone an offer sheet of up to 16 million with the ability to go up to 10% over. His shoulder scared him away and they moved him.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Yep....Here's what he (Gardiner) had to say in a recent Athletic interview about the transition from Toronto to Carolina.


“It’s been great,” he said. “Team’s awesome. Weather is great. My wife likes it. Really good guys on the team. It’s been a pretty easy transition, to be honest.

“It is very interesting how, playing in Carolina, it’s basically like the polar opposite (of Toronto’s fan and media environment). If I have a bad game here, you’re not going to hear about it, really. In Toronto, if I scored a hat trick, I’m the best player in the league. If I’m dash three (minus-3) or something, it’s ‘We need to trade this guy.’ It’s very, very opposite.”

Well dear Jake u never scored a hattrick but almost every goal against was scored with u on the ice

 

[inthe6ix]

Ok so when he was with us, everyone outside of Leafs Nation said he was trash and we couldn't get rid of him for a bag of pucks, but now that he's outside the 416, he's being courted by a number of teams who need and want his skillset?

I see said the blind man.

 

[CupInSIX]

Ok so when he was with us, everyone outside of Leafs Nation said he was trash and we couldn't get rid of him for a bag of pucks, but now that he's outside the 416, he's being courted by a number of teams who need and want his skillset?

I see said the blind man.

You need to see a hyperbole specialist and get that looked at.

A couple of teams are showing interest in maybe offering a pick or prospect for him.

 

[spockBokk]

The Aho offer sheet wasn’t a concern. We could have gone an offer sheet of up to 16 million with the ability to go up to 10% over. His shoulder scared him away and they moved him.

yes, the sheet possibility was very much a reason he was moved, plus they still needed cap space for Mrazek and all their RFAs. The shoulder may have been a concern but the clear reason he was dealt was due to them needing cap space.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

yes, the sheet possibility was very much a reason he was moved, plus they still needed cap space for Mrazek and all their RFAs. The shoulder may have been a concern but the clear reason he was dealt was due to them needing cap space.

Yea because you trade 6 million in cap space for a first so that you can worry about an offer sheet later. Sure....

 

[spockBokk]

Yea because you trade 6 million in cap space for a first so that you can worry about an offer sheet later. Sure....

yep, that’s exactly what ya do.

You seem to have your timing off here. They made the trade with TOR prior to not receiving a counter from Aho’s camp. The silence from Aho meant that an offer sheet was a very real possibility and they had no idea what sort of number that may come at then via an OS. They also had the following players/contracts to potentially re-sign/ deal with:

Mrazek
McGinn
Williams
Fleury

The unknown of Aho’s final aav plus having so
Many other deals to sign necessitated clearing space. CDH was the easiest deal to move. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand here.

And I’ll just leave this here from the one CAR insidurr right after the trade (Sara Civ):

The Hurricanes have had a well-documented logjam on defense and desire for more offense spanning months. They exasperated the need to pull the trigger on those desires when they acquired a 2020 first round-pick and Patrick Marleau’s $6.25 million cap hit Sunday.
The well-regarded move left the Canes with ~$20 million in cap space, which seems like a lot, but consider the deals they need to get done:
RFA Sebastian Aho: Potentially north of $10 million AAV.
RFA Brock McGinn: You can’t just score a Game 7 double-overtime game-winner against the defending champions and not get some sort of hefty raise and/or a gift card to Bass Pro Shop.
UFA Justin Williams or a replacement(no one could replace him but you get it): ~5 million AAV.
UFA Micheal Ferland or a replacement(aka a replacement): An amount of money that feels like too much but is necessary in this climate.
A goalie ???: That seems expensive.
So, a lot of cap space is a lot of cap space until it’s not.
Then consider the fact that Jake Bean and Haydn Fleury could both play on a third pairing in the NHL right now.
As much as the Canes like de Haan, and as much as de Haan likes the Canes, when you map the cap space out you can at least see where Carolina is coming from.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And???? When you get paid millions you should be criticized on your poor play.

And nothing. The poster I was responding to commented about how a player gets forgotten when moved to a different market and I was providing additional background showing how certain markets are different. If you choose not to follow the discussion in it's entirety, that's your problem.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Would the Canes have any interest in..........

1) Getting Ferland back
2) Brandon Sutter
3) Troy Stecher

for Gardiner?

Less than zero interest.

 

[TheNewEra]

real question is what would the canes want in return for him if he is available, what is a position of need or is it for long term cap flexibility

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well dear Jake u never scored a hattrick but almost every goal against was scored with u on the ice

Don't let facts get in the way. Here are the 2018-19 5v5 GA/60 for Toronto defensemen, best to worst.

Jake Gardiner: 1.95 (37 GA)
Jake Muzzin: 2.03 (18 GA)
Zaitsev: 2.27 (55 GA)
Dermott: 2.51 (42 GA)
Ozhiganov: 2.53 (31 GA)
Hainsey: 2.56 ( 58)
Rielly: 2.72 (68)

 

[mikeyfan]

Sometimes a player just doesn't fit a teams style and Considering Jake has a M-NTC in his contract he may have let management know if a certain team(s) that play his style of hockey makes the Canes the right offer he would accept the trade. So this may be a mutual deal, which I don't think would hurt the Canes at all. In fact it could help them by players understanding the Canes are working with their players.