We were talking #1C's so it is natural one would think what we were discussing. Anything you want to discuss on EP? I stated my reasons for picking him. You want to comment on the 5v5 GA 60 stats posted.Now it matters that Barzal was the leading scoring centre on the Islanders in the playoffs. The NHL doesn't show playoff stats by a players position, so no matter how you try and move the goal posts he didn't lead the Islanders in points during the playoffs.
However since you opened the door to talking about where a player ranked at their position let me remind you of this. In the 2018-19 regular season Tavares was the leading goal scoring Centre for the Maple Leafs with his 47 goals. However the fact Auston Matthews was their leading goal scoring Centre and overall points leader in the playoffs isn't something I was upset about.
Eberle did not face off against Crosby and Malkin did he? And win.Why are you talking as if Barzal won them the round on his own?
He didnt even lead his team in playoff scoring, courtesy of Jordan Eberle, and had a lower playoff average TOI than Brock Nelson, Josh Bailey, and Anders Lee.
Tavares lead his team in playoff points, goals, and average TOI forward wise. Barzal did none of those.
If anything Jordan Eberle played the Tavares for the Islanders.
So takings faceoffs trumps goals point TOI etc? Who cares who takes the faceoffs?Eberle did not face off against Crosby and Malkin did he? And win.
Let's get on topic, why hasn't Tavares managed to win more than 1 playoff rd in his 10 year career? Barzal was able to do it against Sid and Malkin head to head first up.
I would like to hear a reasonable reason that doesn't always blame the GM 100% of the time. JT as I remind you, was 1 and out last year too. At some point he has to share some of the blame. Maybe if he did lead his team in scoring in the playoffs, the Leafs would have won the series. It just seems to me, his stats no matter how shiny do not amount to what matters, winning. The Leafs went from 105 points to 100 with him. The Isles went 80 to 103 pts without him, and beat Crosby and Malkin something tavares never was up to in the first yr without him. Something is not right here. For all the excuses and shiny stats we see, there is little substance in winning. I don't care how you gloss it, 1 playoff win in 10 years of playing is not all the GM's fault. Snow or Dubas.So takings faceoffs trumps goals point TOI etc? Who cares who takes the faceoffs?
Since you seem to care, Tavares had a 56.7% faceoff win % in the 2015-16 playoffs compared to Barzals 50.9% in the 2018-19 playoffs.
You're acting like this is the NBA and 1 star can carry a team. Theres 20 players on a team. Tavares didnt disappoint. Islanders management crapped the bed during Tavares' tenure and couldnt build a consistently competitive team over 9 years of Tavares being there.
Maybe ask yourself why management could only build a team good enough to win 1 round rather than why couldnt Tavares carry a garbage team to more than 1 series victory?
Maybe you saw a point increase because their goaltending went from this:I would like to hear a reasonable reason that doesn't always blame the GM 100% of the time. JT as I remind you, was 1 and out last year too. At some point he has to share some of the blame. Maybe if he did lead his team in scoring in the playoffs, the Leafs would have won the series. It just seems to me, his stats no matter how shiny do not amount to what matters, winning. The Leafs went from 105 points to 100 with him. The Isles went 80 to 103 pts without him, and beat Crosby and Malkin something tavares never was up to in the first yr without him. Something is not right here. For all the excuses and shiny stats we see, there is little substance in winning. I don't care how you gloss it, 1 playoff win in 10 years of playing is not all the GM's fault. Snow or Dubas.
Player Name | GP | Min | GA | GAA | W | L | T | Svs | Pct | EN | SO |
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Jaroslav Halak | 54 | 3024 | 161 | 3.19 | 20 | 26 | 6 | 1583 | 0.908 | 0 | 1 |
Christopher Gibson | 8 | 427 | 26 | 3.65 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 258 | 0.908 | 0 | 0 |
Thomas Greiss | 27 | 1492 | 95 | 3.82 | 13 | 8 | 2 | 784 | 0.892 | 0 | 1 |
Player Name | GP | Min | GA | GAA | W | L | T | Svs | Pct | EN | SO |
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Christopher Gibson | 2 | 40 | 1 | 1.50 | 16 | 0.941 | 0 | 0 | |||
Robin Lehner | 46 | 2616 | 93 | 2.13 | 25 | 13 | 5 | 1230 | 0.930 | 0 | 6 |
Thomas Greiss | 43 | 2294 | 87 | 2.28 | 23 | 14 | 2 | 1098 | 0.927 | 0 | 5 |
This isn't blaming the GM, so how about saying Mike Babcock being stubborn is why Toronto didn't advance last year and that had nothing to do with how Tavares played.I would like to hear a reasonable reason that doesn't always blame the GM 100% of the time. JT as I remind you, was 1 and out last year too. At some point he has to share some of the blame. Maybe if he did lead his team in scoring in the playoffs, the Leafs would have won the series. It just seems to me, his stats no matter how shiny do not amount to what matters, winning. The Leafs went from 105 points to 100 with him. The Isles went 80 to 103 pts without him, and beat Crosby and Malkin something tavares never was up to in the first yr without him. Something is not right here. For all the excuses and shiny stats we see, there is little substance in winning. I don't care how you gloss it, 1 playoff win in 10 years of playing is not all the GM's fault. Snow or Dubas.
This is because he got 0.892 goaltending behind him (worst of any forward on the team), not because of him being bad defensively.He had the worst 5 v 5 metrics on the Leafs in GA60 3.34
Maybe you saw a point increase because their goaltending went from this:
Suggesting a team got better by losing someone who would have lead that islanders team in points by 26 and goals by 19 is ridiculous. Maybe the difference between Doug Weight and Barry Trotz behind the bench also plays a factor.
You guys didn't address the question. But since you point to this. Maybe check Tavares GA60 5v5 stats this year, and the last year he played on the Island,This isn't blaming the GM, so how about saying Mike Babcock being stubborn is why Toronto didn't advance last year and that had nothing to do with how Tavares played.
Depends how your goaltending does. An Islanders fan should definitely know that.when you are bad defensively, the team will give up more goals correct?
Maybe part of a bad save percentage behind him is his contribution to the defence?This is because he got 0.892 goaltending behind him (worst of any forward on the team), not because of him being bad defensively.
How do you account for Tavares having the worst 5v5 metrics on the Leafs defensively this season?Depends how your goaltending does. An Islanders fan should definitely know that.
He doesn't.How do you account for Tavares having the worst 5v5 metrics on the Leafs defensively this season?
There's no evidence that he is the worst defensive forward 5v5, which is why that individual used a stat that is heavily affected by goaltending to make an incorrect suggestion about his defense.Maybe part of a bad save percentage behind him is his contribution to the defence?
None of that answered my question at allHe doesn't.
There's no evidence that he is the worst defensive forward 5v5, which is why that individual used a stat that is heavily affected by goaltending to make an incorrect suggestion about his defense.
He does. You may want to look again.He doesn't.
He does. You may want to look again.
Tavares 5v5 GA60 3.34 which is worst on the Leafs this year. Which has a great effect on goaltending.
Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick
The stats back up the eye test. Here is just a small sampling of Tavares defensive game this year.
I think the opposite. Maybe a handful take Tavares but I doubt it. It’s not like his leadership has been that great this year tbh. Take the better player imo. That’s Pettersson.I don't think a single GM in the league would choose Pettersson over Tavares if they were entering the Stanley Cup finals tomorrow. Veteran leadership and league experience would go a long way.
The stats don't lie. I posted a 3 year sampling of his 5v5 GA60 stats, now unless you think this is a great coincidence how do you explain why he is always one of the worst metrics wise in GA on his team? When you give up quality chances like he does. Goaltending is not the issue. I hope the excuse is not goaltending or the GM again. At some point, Tavares has to share some of the blame. I never hear that from Leafs fans. Where ever Tavares has played, the lack of defence follows. Coincidence?The amount of goals against Tavares is on the ice for has a "great effect" on goaltending? I think you have that backwards
This isn't blaming the GM, so how about saying Mike Babcock being stubborn is why Toronto didn't advance last year and that had nothing to do with how Tavares played.
In Game 6 when Toronto was up 3-2 in the series and leading 1-0 in the 1st period, he puts Zach Hyman on the faceoff during a penalty kill and Hyman loses the faceoff to Bergeron. Seconds later Brad Marchand ties the game 1-1. I bring that up since Babcock knew Hyman was playing with a torn ACL, so why didn't Babcock have Tavares, Matthews, or Gauthier taking the faceoff since they were natural centres?
Later in that same game in the 3rd period when Auston Matthews scores to make it a 3-2 Boston lead, on the ensuing faceoff Babcock sends out Gauthier and the 4th line like he always did after a goal was scored, if his line wasn't previously on the ice. Doing that kills their momentum not keeping Matthews line out or going to the Tavares line.
Would GMs take Matthews over Tavares? McDavid?I don't think a single GM in the league would choose Pettersson over Tavares if they were entering the Stanley Cup finals tomorrow. Veteran leadership and league experience would go a long way.
Bergeron had zero goals and one assist at 5v5, so you're wrongTavares was dogshit during the playoffs last year. An absolute ghost who got dominated by Bergeron.
I think the opposite. Maybe a handful take Tavares but I doubt it. It’s not like his leadership has been that great this year tbh. Take the better player imo. That’s Pettersson.