Lady Rhian
The Only Good Indian
Absolutely no dispute from me on this- I agree wholeheartedly.They were up 3-1 in the series. Yes, the call was bad - but they certainly did plenty to lose it as well.
Absolutely no dispute from me on this- I agree wholeheartedly.They were up 3-1 in the series. Yes, the call was bad - but they certainly did plenty to lose it as well.
He had me agreeing until he said they were robbed, need to not give up 4 goals on the PK. Also had the same opportunities in OT :/tell us how ya really feel Jonathan
Not sure how that would have been a double minor for drawing blood when he never hit Pavelski in the head. At most 2 minute minor for cross checking (which I still think would have been absurd because it seems that type of cross check on a faceoff goes uncalled all the time).
Does it matter if he didn't hit him in the head though? They called it a cross check and major, so it's not a huge stretch to think they could have blown it by calling it a double minor either. There were 4 possible outcomes. No call. Two minute cross check. 4 minute double minor for drawing blood. And 5 minute major. Either way, whatever penalty they called, the Knights were going to have to kill off a penalty. Instead of just dealing with it though, they melted down and lost their minds. That's what lost them the game, not the bad call.
Obviously the glaring difference is that the most goals they could have given up in any other circumstance was 2 (double minor).
Vegas sucks for giving up 4 goals on one kill no doubt. And I am usually the first person to discount fans complaining about referees. But this wasn’t just “a bad call”. This was as severe and bad a call as possible at the most crucial of times. It is pretty clear to me that the sharks don’t win this game without that call.
Out of all times to give a fanbase permission to be outraged over a refereeing decision, this is the peak example.
the big thing the NHL needs to figure out is the implementation of something like this. I think the idea that something like that ought to be reviewable is obvious, but they need to streamline the process so it's not a 10 minute pause in the game while the refs on the ice review video every time. Part of me thinks it should be as simple as Toronto just calling down to the refs and overturning the penalty (or say reducing it from 5 to 2), but I can see how the refs would hate having that decision taken out of their hands and how the teams would hate the accountability for the call being taken out of the building & placed on some faceless entity in another location.Major penalties, especially game misconducts, should absolutely be reviewable from Toronto.
I doubt that ends up as 5/10/game last night if they had that ability.
the big thing the NHL needs to figure out is the implementation of something like this. I think the idea that something like that ought to be reviewable is obvious, but they need to streamline the process so it's not a 10 minute pause in the game while the refs on the ice review video every time. Part of me thinks it should be as simple as Toronto just calling down to the refs and overturning the penalty (or say reducing it from 5 to 2), but I can see how the refs would hate having that decision taken out of their hands and how the teams would hate the accountability for the call being taken out of the building & placed on some faceless entity in another location.
I'm definitely in the minority here.
Yes, the officials got it wrong - not the major, but the call. It was an interference call not a crosscheck IMO.
And the rules were changed in 2009: Any interference call that results in an injury is an automatic major.
Flame away. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. And I was cheering for the VGK.
It wasn't the cross check/interference by Eakin that resulted in the injury though, it was the freak collision with Stastny afterwards. I think you have to cut the officials some slack when things happen so quickly, but you have to see something happen to make the call. They completely botched the call and called it based on the reaction/aftermath rather than the play itself.I'm definitely in the minority here.
Yes, the officials got it wrong - not the major, but the call. It was an interference call not a crosscheck IMO.
And the rules were changed in 2009: Any interference call that results in an injury is an automatic major.
Flame away. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. And I was cheering for the VGK.
So you're saying the outcome of the call was correct (being that it resulted in a major), but the call itself was bungled (cross check vs interference)? Makes sense.
It wasn't the cross check/interference by Eakin that resulted in the injury though, it was the freak collision with Stastny afterwards. I think you have to cut the officials some lack when things happen so quickly, but you have to see something happen to make the call. They completely botched the call and called it based on the reaction/aftermath rather than the play itself.
Is it semantics though? You can go way down the rabbit hole with plays indirectly causing an injury, point is that Eakin did not injure him directly. Like if I crosscheck a guy onto the ice and a couple seconds later another player accidentally falls on him, injuring him, does that mean it should be a major? You have to draw the line somewhere and to me he clearly did not get injured from Eakin's cross check.Semantics really.
The argument can be made that if the interference didn't happen, then the injury wouldn't have happened. So it was a direct result of the interference.
By the letter of the rule book.
This Vegas series brought back a lot of bad memories for me of the 2010 B's-Philly series.Whether the 5 minute major was suitable or not Vegas still didn't do their job on the kill. I mean 4 PP goals in one 5 minute penalty, I don't recall ever watching a game and seeing it. Just a terrible kill. Then in OT where Jones looked shaky too me, the knights couldn't muster any pressure at all.
Exactly. By the letter of the rule book, the major was the right call. The penalty they chose to call was incorrect. IMO of course.
Do you think it was interference Lonnie?
This Vegas series brought back a lot of bad memories for me of the 2010 B's-Philly series.
Vegas was up 3-1 and after Game 4, Martin Jones was a complete shambles. Things were set up perfectly for them and they didn't close the deal in Games 5 or 6.
3-0 lead in Game 7, with 10min to play. You absolutely HAVE to close that game out. 5min major or no major. Inexcusable.
Is it semantics though? You can go way down the rabbit hole with plays indirectly causing an injury, point is that Eakin did not injure him directly. Like if I crosscheck a guy onto the ice and a couple seconds later another player accidentally falls on him, injuring him, does that mean it should be a major? You have to draw the line somewhere and to me he clearly did not get injured from Eakin's cross check.
Whether the 5 minute major was suitable or not Vegas still didn't do their job on the kill. I mean 4 PP goals in one 5 minute penalty, I don't recall ever watching a game and seeing it. Just a terrible kill. Then in OT where Jones looked shaky too me, the knights couldn't muster any pressure at all.
It's a messy argument but the way he fell was clearly changed through his contact with Stastny. Maybe he breaks an arm or something for all I know if he didn't make contact with Stastny but the point is that it was clearly through his contact with Stastny that his body contorts and he wasn't able to brace himself going down on his head, which is what the injury was.I think the injury came from hitting his head on the ice. That's where the blood came from and I didn't see any contact from anyone on that side of his head. And that wouldn't have happened without the interference. Hence "any interference causing an injury is an automatic major".
Its like cross checking a guy 5 feet away from the boards - he hits the boards, gets injured, and a major is called. It's a direct result of the crosscheck.
5 "finalists" Tavares met with:
NYI, Leafs, Sharks, Bruins, Dallas.
Leafs only team out lol.
Stupid stat, but love it.