Speculation: Source of the "divide" in the room

[Jetsfan79]

Who re-opened my thread ?

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I'm well aware of that. You may want to paint your comments with the wide brush of being 'concerned', but you haven't said "I'm concerned about Laine's attitude and training" and prompted discussion. You have outright stated that he has questionable training and is nonchalant towards it. The guy trains in the summer with Rantenen and other top Finnish athletes. It's not like he's at some third rate barely functional training camp.

Using his answers in a short post season interview session to outright determine that he has chronic injuries and a poor work ethic is what I'm calling out. Especially considering Laine gives far less cliche interview answers than almost anyone else in hockey.

You have no idea what is going on with his training regimen, his work ethic, or what he's being recommended by the staff around him whom are actually responsible for his development.

Do you read my posts fully?

I state 2 times I am concerned with his lack of development since coming in to the league, and it concerns me he has played 2 consecutive seasons hampered by the same back injury.

His training during the offseason obviously did not correct or help his back problem, as he still has back problems. Nor did his training improve his skating, because his skating has not improved since coming into the league. I will argue he moved best in his first season, which could suggest his skating has regressed.

Spare me his offseason workout, Ive watched all the videos available on it, read all the translated articles, I am not questioning the legitimacy of it. But facts are Laine has yet to take a strong step in his development since coming in the league, so something is not working for him.

 

[cbcwpg]

Using his answers in a short post season interview session to outright determine that he has chronic injuries and a poor work ethic is what I'm calling out. Especially considering Laine gives far less cliche interview answers than almost anyone else in hockey.

The medical definition of Chronic is any condition that lasts for 3 months or more. Laine has stated he has had back issues for the last two years...by definition.. it’s chronic. Does it mean it can’t be dealt with and taken care of? Of course not. He could end up being fine, but it will take a proper regime of work to deal with it. It also could end up being something he has for the rest of his life. Hence the concern... not to put words in others mouths. The Jets better be damn sure this is being proper treated before they get him to sign on the dotted line.

 

[GaryPoppins]

I've heard this as well but no way to substantiate it.

Back in the Ladd days, apparently he was one of the more hated guys in the locker room. I can't cite my source but I'll tell you that he definitely DGAF if he's not liked in the room. You then have a coach bowing to the needs of the asshole in the room and it makes for a very unhappy group.b

 

[JetsNut]

I hate the Wheeler hate. I love the guy. Ya his age is getting up there and we wanted to keep him while the window is open, not as much for how long and expensive his contract is. He is still elite on PP, but really now should be more of a 2nd line winger 5v5. Would balance our lines more then running ELL. Even if he is in the coaches ears, that is when a coach has to be a hard ass and say sorry to 55/26, it is best for the team and as leaders you will leave it at that. Ya he makes some bad plays from time to time, and i got on his case a bit during regular season as well as 55 about back checking, shift length, worrying more about empty net goals then defending..... but the guy cares more then any other player. His intensity is through the roof in big games. He is still our best choice for captain... he is old school, and very intense and professional and passionate. This could rub young guys the wrong way for sure. But they are paid millions to perform, to win. I don't care if a young guy is not having fun because of Wheeler or does not like his leadership style. I think the bigger issue is on our coach, our young players and the other leaders like Scheifele.

Elite in big games? What have you been watching lately? Did you see him 3rd period game 5 and all of game 6? He was running around like a 5 year old chasing the puck.

 

[ryerockarola]

I have been thinking that as a possibility for myself for a while now. He seems to be hogging Scheifele and all the on-ice situations he wants. He even had his exit interview with his best friend Scheifele, it’s just not normal anymore. He seems to be exercising quite a reign and I don’t get that sense from other captains in the league. Didn’t get that feeling from him last year either, I think things may have gotten into his head. If that’s the case I hope this season put the boys back on earth and they are ready to go next year again!

His best friend said hardly anything in that interview.

 

[Tommigun]

Honest question - I really like Maurice’s persona but what exactly is he doing behind the bench? He has admittedly delegated leadership to the vets, the assistant coaches take care of special teams and goalie training, and his running of the bench is also very formulaic — so what exactly does he do?

 

[GaryPoppins]

Or at least providing a reason for it..... that was believable.

Didn't you hear the reason that Wheeler and Scheifele aren't going to the IIHF World's? Because their teams wouldn't let them play together! Hey oh!

 

[ryerockarola]

Honest question - I really like Maurice’s persona but what exactly is he doing behind the bench? He has admittedly delegated leadership to the vets, the assistant coaches take care of special teams and goalie training, and his running of the bench is also very formulaic — so what exactly does he do?

Chirps refs for future calls, reviews plays on ipad, looks at goalie from across ice to confirm challenge?

 

[Mud Turtle]

Maybe Wheeler needs to be traded. if he is sabotaging the team and some of the core wants out because of him, then that needs to be seriously considered. Seems Wheeler's ego is out of control.

Sell high!!

 

[Tommigun]

Didn't you hear the reason that Wheeler and Scheifele aren't going to the IIHF World's? Because their teams wouldn't let them play together! Hey oh!

They were in luck that Maurice was their coach in the ASG so they could play together, maybe they would have pulled an Ovechkin otherwise

 

[jetsforever]

Making millions doesn't mean you somehow lose human emotions. The idea that just because you make a lot of money you don't have the right to be annoyed and angry is pretty ludacris imo.

Ludicrous or Ludacris?

 

[DashingDane]

Ludicrous or Ludacris?

Definitely Ludacris

 

[Eyeseeing]

So he's not elite on the PP and not elite at even strength? How did he put up 91 points then?

Being contrarian.
If 91 points means the rest of the team suffers is it worth the price to pay in the locker room IF he’s a problem?
I’m not saying he definitely is however I suspect Maurice is hands off when it comes to him.
We will find out next season as both will be back.

 

[DashingDane]

I have been thinking that as a possibility for myself for a while now. He seems to be hogging Scheifele and all the on-ice situations he wants. He even had his exit interview with his best friend Scheifele, it’s just not normal anymore. He seems to be exercising quite a reign and I don’t get that sense from other captains in the league. Didn’t get that feeling from him last year either, I think things may have gotten into his head. If that’s the case I hope this season put the boys back on earth and they are ready to go next year again!

 

[Mud Turtle]

Ditto. Signing Laine for 8 years terrifies the hell out of me because there is no improvement. He was best as a rookie. I think the question of how bad he wants to be the best in terms of how much effort he'll put into getting there is an important one. The history of the league is littered with guys with loads of talent and something really special like Laine's shot who had no consistency or longevity because they did not mind the small details.

Ever since I saw that pre-draft interview with Laine while laying down on his couch, I have been disturbed by it.
The attitude that came across in the interview was not good. Who does that?
But I’ll be the first to admit that it could mean nothing or that he has grown out of that somewhat childish behaviour. But it continues to bother me nonetheless.
Even more concerning is that our future 50 goal scoring young star has back problems.

 

[Howard Chuck]

So he's not elite on the PP and not elite at even strength? How did he put up 91 points then?

He was in the first half of the year.

 

[kanadalainen]

No harm in speculating. And generally, where there is smoke, there's fire. The rift in the room has gone beyond speculation -- its for real. We as fans may not be right every time, but its pretty obvious some of the issues that younger players would have when you see how some vets are treated by Maurice vs how the young guys are treated

Oh sure, I understand this.

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[untouchable21]

Do you read my posts fully?

I state 2 times I am concerned with his lack of development since coming in to the league, and it concerns me he has played 2 consecutive seasons hampered by the same back injury.

His training during the offseason obviously did not correct or help his back problem, as he still has back problems. Nor did his training improve his skating, because his skating has not improved since coming into the league. I will argue he moved best in his first season, which could suggest his skating has regressed.

Spare me his offseason workout, Ive watched all the videos available on it, read all the translated articles, I am not questioning the legitimacy of it. But facts are Laine has yet to take a strong step in his development since coming in the league, so something is not working for him.

If this is the case and the Jets are not seeing progressive results couldn’t they insist on him changing his training regimen? If they are going to be investing long term in him, couldn’t they have a regimen catered strictly to what they deem to be his biggest needs.

They should have a better pulse on his overall training as part of his development.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

If this is the case and the Jets are not seeing progressive results couldn’t they insist on him changing his training regimen? If they are going to be investing long term in him, couldn’t they have a regimen catered strictly to what they deem to be his biggest needs.

They should have a better pulse on his overall training as part of his development.

They can make suggestions, offer help but ultimately the player has full control.

A specialist for his back would be something the team would have a say in, I would have to think, and control the recovery and sustainability plan for it.

 

[kanadalainen]

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[surixon]

They can make suggestions, offer help but ultimately the player has full control.

A specialist for his back would be something the team would have a say in, I would have to think, and control the recovery and sustainability plan for it.

He trains under the same guy that trains Rantna and Barkov among others. I would hardly think someone with that clientele would put up with someone who doesn't take their training seriously. With regards to practicing he is often one of the last guys off the ice and continually stays on for extra work. He takes his game really seriously despite his more goofy personality.

I think people forget just how weak and gangly Scheifele was at the same age. He didn't hit his stride as a player until he started filling out at age 23.

 

[Mbraunm]

If there actually is a divide in the room it is most definitely due to Maurice’s unjustified and obvious favouritism of the vets. His style of leadership creates a two tiered locker room. It’s painfully obvious.

 

[Eyeseeing]

They can make suggestions, offer help but ultimately the player has full control.

A specialist for his back would be something the team would have a say in, I would have to think, and control the recovery and sustainability plan for it.

Robert Kraft knows an excellent back masseuse

 

[PaulPooley]

Robert Kraft knows an excellent back masseuse

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