So... Let's talk Konecny

[Beef Invictus]

JVR's struggles are primarily due to not picking up a veteran 3C.
He was fine in Toronto paired with Bozak.
But who do you pair him with here, unless you keep Giroux at C?

To me, JVR is an upgrade over Hartnell/Schenn, the big scoring forward, but he's more responsible defensively.

The guy is on a current pace for 14 goals and 26 assists. A huge part of that is terrible usage.

 

[Larry44]

At $35 million for 5 years, you shouldn't have to babysit him and you should be able to use him against top lines.

 

[Curufinwe]

Doesn't matter, Simmonds isn't really a net positive player on the ice anymore. I'm sure Hextall could have moved him for some pieces and bought another player with those futures + some other combo. Would have given the team a shake up as well.

Fletcher can do that right now. Simmonds' value hasn't gone down since the summer.

 

[Curufinwe]

At $35 million for 5 years, you shouldn't have to babysit him and you should be able to use him against top lines.

Who says you can't use JVR against top lines? He's not the 2nd line guy struggling at 5 on 5.

Philadelphia Flyers- Possession - 2018 - Puckbase

 

[baudib1]

The complaints about Simmonds have become absurd. He's basically at the same production level he's always had. He's on pace for a career high in even strength goals. It's like people want Jaromir Jagr in his prime on the third line. Calgary is in first place with the corpse of James Neal playing the role of gritty vet and he has 3 goals. Wayne isn't the problem and he wouldn't even be problem if he were here for another 3 years.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Simmonds is averaging 16:27 minutes a game. He’s getting top six forward & top unit PP time.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

The complaints about Simmonds have become absurd. He's basically at the same production level he's always had. He's on pace for a career high in even strength goals. It's like people want Jaromir Jagr in his prime on the third line. Calgary is in first place with the corpse of James Neal playing the role of gritty vet and he has 3 goals. Wayne isn't the problem and he wouldn't even be problem if he were here for another 3 years.

Agreed but I wouldn't want to pay premium on those three years. Especially if it means we can't afford long term deals for young guns or nhl level goalie.

 

[deadhead]

Simmonds is a 3rd line forward at this point in his career:
1.47 pp/60, CF 48.52, CFrel -3.65, GF/GA 16/19, xGF 49.74, xGFrel -1.87, SCF/CA 140/156, HDCF/CA 57/63
JVR
1.64 pp/60, CF 50.90, CFrel -1.87, GF/GA 6/4, xGF 56.15, xGFrel +4.85, SCF/CA 62/65, HDCF/CA 31/26
Raffl
1.69 pp/60, CF 47.60, CFrel -3.19, GF/GA 8/6, xGF 48.24, xGFrel +4.13, SCF/CA 45/60, HDCF/CA 27/26
Voracek
1.79 pp/60, CF 45.97, CFrel -7.63, GF/GA 16/26, xGF 45.99, xGFrel -7.75, SCF/CA 140/156, HDCF/CA 57/63
Lindblom
1.98 pp/60, CF 50.09, CFrel -1.43, GF/GA 11/14, xGF 57.57, xGFrel +8.09, SCF/CA 141/108, HDCF/CA 66/38
TK
2.40 pp/60, CF 59.64, CFrel +11.88, GF/GA 23/11, xGF 55.76, xGFrel +6.31, SCF/CA 184/120, HDCF/CA 70/52

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The complaints about Simmonds have become absurd. He's basically at the same production level he's always had. He's on pace for a career high in even strength goals. It's like people want Jaromir Jagr in his prime on the third line. Calgary is in first place with the corpse of James Neal playing the role of gritty vet and he has 3 goals. Wayne isn't the problem and he wouldn't even be problem if he were here for another 3 years.

Simmonds carries a high danger of falling off like Neal.

One year younger. Almost identical games played regular season + playoffs. Physical style.

Simmonds was never a great ES player & has declined further there, & they have JVR for the front on the PP now.

Big contract risk, not enough reward to offset it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

His production is high, but is it coming at the cost of potentially higher total production from linemates? He's on his way to ~30 goals, but he's doing so while being an anchor.

I don't like how he's used, either. He needs to be spending his time in the slot and in front of the net, as much time as possible. He's not good at all at the perimeter game and playmaking.

 

[baudib1]

Simmonds is a 3rd line forward at this point in his career:
1.47 pp/60, CF 48.52, CFrel -3.65, GF/GA 16/19, xGF 49.74, xGFrel -1.87, SCF/CA 140/156, HDCF/CA 57/63
JVR
1.64 pp/60, CF 50.90, CFrel -1.87, GF/GA 6/4, xGF 56.15, xGFrel +4.85, SCF/CA 62/65, HDCF/CA 31/26
Raffl
1.69 pp/60, CF 47.60, CFrel -3.19, GF/GA 8/6, xGF 48.24, xGFrel +4.13, SCF/CA 45/60, HDCF/CA 27/26
Voracek
1.79 pp/60, CF 45.97, CFrel -7.63, GF/GA 16/26, xGF 45.99, xGFrel -7.75, SCF/CA 140/156, HDCF/CA 57/63
Lindblom
1.98 pp/60, CF 50.09, CFrel -1.43, GF/GA 11/14, xGF 57.57, xGFrel +8.09, SCF/CA 141/108, HDCF/CA 66/38
TK
2.40 pp/60, CF 59.64, CFrel +11.88, GF/GA 23/11, xGF 55.76, xGFrel +6.31, SCF/CA 184/120, HDCF/CA 70/52

And a good one.

 

[Lindberg]

The complaints about Simmonds have become absurd. He's basically at the same production level he's always had. He's on pace for a career high in even strength goals. It's like people want Jaromir Jagr in his prime on the third line. Calgary is in first place with the corpse of James Neal playing the role of gritty vet and he has 3 goals. Wayne isn't the problem and he wouldn't even be problem if he were here for another 3 years.

The dude has always been a liability on defense. Patrick can replace his #1 PP spot. TK and Voracek should be playing more time than him.

I have no interest in paying Simmonds money next year and other players can certainly replace his level of production.

 

[Lindberg]

His production is high, but is it coming at the cost of potentially higher total production from linemates? He's on his way to ~30 goals, but he's doing so while being an anchor.

I don't like how he's used, either. He needs to be spending his time in the slot and in front of the net, as much time as possible. He's not good at all at the perimeter game and playmaking.

I hate people that just look at point totals as if that's a good way of determining value. Simmonds routinely makes poor decisions with the puck. He's also notorious for scoring multiple goals in a game and not scoring any the next couple.

 

[David St Hubbins]

The complaints about Simmonds have become absurd. He's basically at the same production level he's always had. He's on pace for a career high in even strength goals. It's like people want Jaromir Jagr in his prime on the third line. Calgary is in first place with the corpse of James Neal playing the role of gritty vet and he has 3 goals. Wayne isn't the problem and he wouldn't even be problem if he were here for another 3 years.

Alright then - Simmer to Calgary.

 

[David St Hubbins]

Simmonds carries a high danger of falling off like Neal.

One year younger. Almost identical games played regular season + playoffs. Physical style.

Simmonds was never a great ES player & has declined further there, & they have JVR for the front on the PP now.

Big contract risk, not enough reward to offset it.

But Simmer is not a douche. HUUUUUGE difference.

Note: the censored word is a feminine hygiene product, such as one might use on a summer's eve.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

But Simmer is not a *****e. HUUUUUGE difference.

Note: the censored word is a feminine hygiene product, such as one might use on a summer's eve.

Thanks for clarifying. I was struggling for a minute or two—what the hell would they censor?!?

But it’s economics with simmer. In likelihood his primary production can be replaced on the power play. You can argue the intangibles, maybe it’s time to put more responsibility on couturier or provorov or ghost as leaders. The grit... probably not worth paying the 5.5-6.5 a year with term he deserves based on services rendered.

 

[baudib1]

The dude has always been a liability on defense. Patrick can replace his #1 PP spot. TK and Voracek should be playing more time than him.

I have no interest in paying Simmonds money next year and other players can certainly replace his level of production.

Simmonds has actually been one of the best PKers on the team in the Hakstol era even though he doesn't get used that much. I realize that's like being the best navigator on the Titanic. The point isn't that he's a core player anymore or that he's better than TK/Voracek (he's not) but he's probably a top 10 3RW in the league.

A winning organization/good coach utilizes their players effectively. If he were on Calgary or Nashville there would be heaps of praise about how he's sparking the team and providing leadership etc.

 

[Adtar02]

Simmonds has actually been one of the best PKers on the team in the Hakstol era even though he doesn't get used that much. I realize that's like being the best navigator on the Titanic. The point isn't that he's a core player anymore or that he's better than TK/Voracek (he's not) but he's probably a top 10 3RW in the league.

A winning organization/good coach utilizes their players effectively. If he were on Calgary or Nashville there would be heaps of praise about how he's sparking the team and providing leadership etc.

My favorite part of this was last year while hurt all year he couldn’t be removed from the pk. This year while healthy he can’t sniff it. Not saying he should be there. But he is better than lehtera.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Tim Peel scored one with his wang.

 

[BillDineen]

Tim Peel scored one with his wang.

Unbelievable! Looks like a comedy skit or something.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I meant to put that in the Misc NHL thread, but it's not like we ever stay on topic anyway lol

 

[Lindberg]

Simmonds has actually been one of the best PKers on the team in the Hakstol era even though he doesn't get used that much. I realize that's like being the best navigator on the Titanic. The point isn't that he's a core player anymore or that he's better than TK/Voracek (he's not) but he's probably a top 10 3RW in the league.

A winning organization/good coach utilizes their players effectively. If he were on Calgary or Nashville there would be heaps of praise about how he's sparking the team and providing leadership etc.

Simmonds is one of the best PKers, you're outta your mind. Raffl, Laughton, Giroux, Couturier, heck even Matt Read are all better than him.

Simmonds has always been a defensively liability.

A top 10 3RW with top six playing time? That doesn't make any sense. He's done pretty well with his minutes but it isn't like he's playing actual 3rd line minutes.

 

[Lindberg]

Unbelievable! Looks like a comedy skit or something.

How is that a no goal?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

How is that a no goal?

They said if it goes directly off an official and into the goal it doesn't count. I have never seen one go in off an official before, wang or otherwise.

 

[baudib1]

Simmonds is one of the best PKers, you're outta your mind. Raffl, Laughton, Giroux, Couturier, heck even Matt Read are all better than him.

Simmonds has always been a defensively liability.

A top 10 3RW with top six playing time? That doesn't make any sense. He's done pretty well with his minutes but it isn't like he's playing actual 3rd line minutes.

Did you know you can actually go by on-ice GA rates instead of making stuff up?