So... Let's talk Konecny

[Johnk0728]

He wasn't enamored with boring professionals, he didn't want to spend assets (draft picks) and didn't have the cap room to sign good players.
That's what happens when you commit to rebuilding.

Hextall's problem came down to managing expectations, first the fans (if he had been as candid as his exit interview, he'd have bought more time) and also Holmgren (Ron, you screwed the pooch, that's why it's taking so damn long).

And of course, having all his goalies get injured.

Depending on Neuvirth who has a history of injuries his whole career and a goalie (Elliott) coming back from core surgery that limited the year before is not bad luck....it was bad planning.....period.

 

[Tripod]

Hockey Central asking if a "guy like Konecny from Philly is going to ask for $6.5-6.9 million after seeing the Nylander deal".

 

[WestrnPhlyr]

Hockey Central asking if a "guy like Konecny from Philly is going to ask for $6.5-6.9 million after seeing the Nylander deal".

Depending on when it comes time (I'm not sure when his contract negotiations are coming up) and how well his play keeps up until then....I wouldn't say it out of the realm of possibility for his agent to at least start there. Am I wrong in thinking that?

 

[Johnk0728]

These past few years I have grown a greater appreciation for Raffl. I think he is physically one of the more gifted flyers and provides under the radar skill at a cheap price. I am worried about how we proceed with bottom 6 players. Raffl and Laughton are the two best wingers , when they both played wing, that the flyers have ever had on the 4th line since I have been watching. I don't see a plethora of strictly bottom 6 guys in the system that i feel could do as good of a job as them, and both are free agents next year. Raffl Sadly is probably gone, and Laughton will probably get a contract from a team that wants to utilize him in a larger role.

I don't see losing Laughton to a team planning on using him as top 6 forward. Laughton is the type of player that the Flyers need to keep. His game has improved exponentially. I disagree regarding Raffl. His hands keep him from being more than bottom line winger. But bottom 6 players get overrated all the time due to the usage and limited minutes.

 

[Jtown]

I don't see losing Laughton to a team planning on using him as top 6 forward. Laughton is the type of player that the Flyers need to keep. His game has improved exponentially. I disagree regarding Raffl. His hands keep him from being more than bottom line winger. But bottom 6 players get overrated all the time due to the usage and limited minutes.

laughton has show tha the plays best as a 10 minute 4th line winger pk specialist. A larger role for him could be a 4thline center, or a 3rd line center winger. He will never be a top 6 guy on a regular basis. But he could easily find a bigger role on another team.

 

[Tripod]

I don't see losing Laughton to a team planning on using him as top 6 forward. Laughton is the type of player that the Flyers need to keep. His game has improved exponentially. I disagree regarding Raffl. His hands keep him from being more than bottom line winger. But bottom 6 players get overrated all the time due to the usage and limited minutes.

His contract is up this summer.

Nylander had back to back 6o point seasons.

TK had 47 then is pacing for 52 this year. So given he finishes in the sub 60 for the year, he should not get near that.

I still want us to sign the cheap RFA and let guys hit the big money with UFA...but the market is changing.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Depending on when it comes time (I'm not sure when his contract negotiations are coming up) and how well his play keeps up until then....I wouldn't say it out of the realm of possibility for his agent to at least start there. Am I wrong in thinking that?

He's going to be an RFA this offseason (as will Provorov and a couple others). I don't think he'll have the leverage to ask for a Nylander-esque deal, that's a shitload of money. He's pacing for 26g and 26a right now, so he'll hypothetically have scored more goals but less points than Nylander in each of his last 2 seasons. We'll have to wait and see, but I think he'll likely take less money on a shorter bridge deal.

EDIT: Posted simultaneously with Tripod.

 

[wasup]

His contract is up this summer.

Nylander had back to back 6o point seasons.

TK had 47 then is pacing for 52 this year. So given he finishes in the sub 60 for the year, he should not get near that.

I still want us to sign the cheap RFA and let guys hit the big money with UFA...but the market is changing.

This is backwards thinking and that's why the market is changing . Paying guys for past preformance is not the way to go , with thinking like that you would be offering Simmer big dollars now . The league has changed the style of play has changed and the player has changed along with agents thinking .
Players seem to be big time productive earlier than they use to be so paying huge dollars for aging players who were once really good is just bad business . Eric Karlsson is a player i would absolutely not give big dollars for long term he is on declining years and you would be stuck paying for it for years to come . His most valuable years have been his past 6-7 years , years when he was making way less than his real value . his next contract he will not be any where near that value .

 

[deadhead]

Yep, you sign TK and Provorov and get them in their peak years on 8 year deals.

 

[Magua]

Low key kind of annoyed that Hextall admitted he didn’t even attempt to sign him last off-season. Probably could’ve gotten him for less than he’ll end up with. Didn’t think it was worth the caution and waiting.

 

[RANKKA]

Low key kind of annoyed that Hextall admitted he didn’t even attempt to sign him last off-season. Probably could’ve gotten him for less than he’ll end up with. Didn’t think it was worth the caution and waiting.

getting that nylander money

 

[Magua]

getting that nylander money

Don’t think so. But his cap hit probably is trending towards high-5s now instead of mid-4s. Maybe smartly waiting on Provorov instead of signing him at the worst time will balance it out.

 

[RANKKA]

Don’t think so. But his cap hit probably is mid-high 5s now instead of 4s. Maybe smartly waiting on Provorov instead of signing him at the worst time will balance it out.

yea i don't either but their skill gap is not big atm

 

[Lindberg]

Low key kind of annoyed that Hextall admitted he didn’t even attempt to sign him last off-season. Probably could’ve gotten him for less than he’ll end up with. Didn’t think it was worth the caution and waiting.

Hextall is really an odd man. Could have probably bought lower on TK.

Given how far apparently Hextall and Simmonds were in their contract demands, what the heck was the point of keeping him this year? Should have traded him and moved on.

 

[Striiker]

Man... going back and reading the first few pages of this thread really reminds you how many really really really really stupid posts get made by people who don't know what they're watching.

We who saw great things in TK were clearly proven right. Thing is, it wasn't even hard to see.

For example, this obvious fact was repeated constantly, but some tried to fight it and pretend it was all TK's fault... that he was just a bottom 6 player who wasn't good enough to play in the top 6.

I only bring this up now as a reminder when we're looking at other young players currently on the team. Maybe instead of doubting them we can use our noggins and realize that the situation they're in, and how they're used, matters.

 

[Rebels57]

Low key kind of annoyed that Hextall admitted he didn’t even attempt to sign him last off-season. Probably could’ve gotten him for less than he’ll end up with. Didn’t think it was worth the caution and waiting.

Hextall showed up for work on 2 days out of the year: Day 1 and Day 2 of the Draft.

 

[Lindberg]

Hextall showed up for work on 2 days out of the year: Day 1 and Day 2 of the Draft.

Probably too busy prepping all those school... errr game lunches.

 

[David St Hubbins]

 

[Larry44]

His contract is up this summer.

Nylander had back to back 6o point seasons.

TK had 47 then is pacing for 52 this year. So given he finishes in the sub 60 for the year, he should not get near that.

I still want us to sign the cheap RFA and let guys hit the big money with UFA...but the market is changing.

I agree. TK is my favourite player but he's not in $6MM+ territory yet. He'd be better off signing for 2 years at $5 million as a bridge, then cash in later.

 

[BillDineen]

Hextall is really an odd man. Could have probably bought lower on TK.

Given how far apparently Hextall and Simmonds were in their contract demands, what the heck was the point of keeping him this year? Should have traded him and moved on.

So this summer Hextall had JVR signed, Patrick also showing net front ability on PP1, Simmonds and he far apart for an extension and did nothing. The market did tail off later in the summer though. Skinner return wasn't much for instance. Still, Simmonds needs to be traded by the deadline.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hextall is really an odd man. Could have probably bought lower on TK.

Given how far apparently Hextall and Simmonds were in their contract demands, what the heck was the point of keeping him this year? Should have traded him and moved on.

Trade him for what, futures? The management were already breathing down his neck about the slow timeline. That's how JVR ended up returning to Philly.

Simmonds was also recovering from surgery over the summer, which would not have helped his value.

 

[Lindberg]

Trade him for what, futures? The management were already breathing down his neck about the slow timeline. That's how JVR ended up returning to Philly.

Simmonds was also recovering from surgery over the summer, which would not have helped his value.

Doesn't matter, Simmonds isn't really a net positive player on the ice anymore. I'm sure Hextall could have moved him for some pieces and bought another player with those futures + some other combo. Would have given the team a shake up as well.

 

[Larry44]

Trade him for what, futures? The management were already breathing down his neck about the slow timeline. That's how JVR ended up returning to Philly.

Simmonds was also recovering from surgery over the summer, which would not have helped his value.

I'm sure we can blame Scott and Homer for the JVR mistake, but Simmonds should have been traded the previous offs season when it was clear reupping him wasn't in the long term plan.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm sure we can blame Scott and Homer for the JVR mistake, but Simmonds should have been traded the previous offs season when it was clear reupping him wasn't in the long term plan.

I'm skeptical that JVR is a mistake, so much as grotesquely misused.

JVR when left to his own devices will be a fat slob. But when pushed and employed effectively by a good coach (Babcock), he was effective. When given to a coach happy to let him blubber around on the perimeter, (Hakstol), he'll do that.

 

[deadhead]

JVR's struggles are primarily due to not picking up a veteran 3C.
He was fine in Toronto paired with Bozak.
But who do you pair him with here, unless you keep Giroux at C?

To me, JVR is an upgrade over Hartnell/Schenn, the big scoring forward, but he's more responsible defensively.