Player Discussion Shea Weber: The Big C

[CauZuki]

He's been great so far this season , really surprising me , I didn't think he still had this level of production in him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He's been great so far this season , really surprising me , I didn't think he still had this level of production in him.

He's still the same guy we acquired 4 years ago and it's reasonable to assume up and down years in his 30's. He's been pretty consistent though but this year, it looks like he stepped up to another level.

It's a long season. Not even half way point yet

 

[Habs4Life]

He's still the same guy we acquired 4 years ago and it's reasonable to assume up and down years in his 30's. He's been pretty consistent though but this year, it looks like he stepped up to another level.

It's a long season. Not even half way point yet

Thinking it had more to do with the knee surgery now hes had plenty time to recoup and back to his old self.

 

[DangerDave]

This is what Weber looks like when he's the offensive guy on his pairing. We just need the forwards to actually recognize when he's pinching.

 

[CauZuki]

He's still the same guy we acquired 4 years ago and it's reasonable to assume up and down years in his 30's. He's been pretty consistent though but this year, it looks like he stepped up to another level.

It's a long season. Not even half way point yet

He's on pace to produce his best career year at 34 , that's not something anybody would have expected when we traded for him. I don't think it's reasonable to say this was expected , especially after going through a significant injury. He's 8 points off from last year with 27 games to spare.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He's on pace to produce his best career year at 34 , that's not something anybody would have expected when we traded for him. I don't think it's reasonable to say this was expected , especially after going through a significant injury. He's 8 points off from last year with 27 games to spare.

I always had faith in him and defended his value for 4 years now. I doubt he gets 66 pts and 26 goals but that would be bonus.

All the injury did is give him rest and much needed time off for the heavy work load he had in his career. He still lacks foot speed at times but that's been the case before he came to Montreal. When you look past that, he brings a lot to the table game after game.

 

[the]

yeah cause clearly most of his goals comes from bombs at the blue line... like tonight I guess

(seriously people, if you like him SOOOO much, why arent you watching him play ??)

My post had nothing to do with his goal tonight...

 

[Adriatic]

Imagine if he was playing with a real first pairing d

 

[Habs]

Weber was my favorite Dman back when his prototype was more ideal. Back in the Komisarek days, I was dreaming of having him and Markov here together.
That's no longer the case though. As solid as he's been, I much rather have better puck movers as #1D.

This is how you rebuild properly, trade while the stock is high. Webs would fetch a nice return from a contender, but especially from the Oilers. I say this a Weber fan, but it would be nice to see him goto a contender

 

[DangerDave]

This is how you rebuild properly, trade while the stock is high. Webs would fetch a nice return from a contender, but especially from the Oilers. I say this a Weber fan, but it would be nice to see him goto a contender

I'm not opposed to it but I'd move Petry instead.

 

[Habs]

I'm not opposed to it but I'd move Petry instead.

Honestly though, no contender wants Jeffy , what does he deliver? Flawed defensively, and not a great year for him offensively. Last year, yes... very tradeable. This year? You think?

 

[JianYang]

Funny how that wraparound had absolutely nothing to do with his "shot".

I wouldnt be shocked if thats his first ever wraparound goal of his career.

Its not something you see from dmen in general, let alone a 35 year old one.

 

[CauZuki]

I always had faith in him and defended his value for 4 years now. I doubt he gets 66 pts and 26 goals but that would be bonus.

All the injury did is give him rest and much needed time off for the heavy work load he had in his career. He still lacks foot speed at times but that's been the case before he came to Montreal. When you look past that, he brings a lot to the table game after game.

I don't agree that time off after an injury can make you produce better than you have in your healthy prime...(Markov came back and looked better but he was very far from producing career numbers). Since neither of us can prove anything , let's just leave it at that.

 

[japhi]

Honestly though, no contender wants Jeffy , what does he deliver? Flawed defensively, and not a great year for him offensively. Last year, yes... very tradeable. This year? You think?

Yes of course he still has lots of value. He has been top 4, top pair quality for 4 years. A bad stretch of 15 games - and agreed he has looked atrocious- doesn’t change that. No way that level of play continues and he has looked much better last few.

 

[DangerDave]

Honestly though, no contender wants Jeffy , what does he deliver? Flawed defensively, and not a great year for him offensively. Last year, yes... very tradeable. This year? You think?

I don't think a rough stretch will hurt his value too much. He's still a good 3rd dman on any team in the league. Next year is when his value will decline fast.

 

[japhi]

Been saying it for years but Prime Weber with a strong forward group and an offensive role would have been a Norris winning machine.

Easy to forget he played behind horrible forward groups - first line C’s like Legwand, Sullivan. Kostitsyn top scorer followed by Erat lol.

His two Norris second place finishes he basically tied for the team lead in points. Lidstrom would put up 10-20 more points playing behind Datsyuk, Shanny, Hull, Zetterberg, Fedorov.

Put Weber on those Wings teams and he has Lidstrom like numbers, multiple Norris and would be seen as an all time great. No, he is not better then Lidstrom but Lidstrom had it pretty good in Deteoit.

Its a tragedy that Weber wasted his best years in Nashville, look at those lineups, they are all time bad.

 

[Habs]

I don't think a rough stretch will hurt his value too much. He's still a good 3rd dman on any team in the league. Next year is when his value will decline fast.

It would be a quick and forgiving turnaround if a competent GM made a few moves here. Do Webs or Petry have NTC?

 

[HBDay]

Petry remains very desirable in a trade.

 

[Wats]

Man, if they can sell high on him the return could set the franchise up for years.

 

[DangerDave]

It would be a quick and forgiving turnaround if a competent GM made a few moves here. Do Webs or Petry have NTC?

Petry does. List of 15 teams he can't be traded to.

 

[Kriss E]

This is how you rebuild properly, trade while the stock is high. Webs would fetch a nice return from a contender, but especially from the Oilers. I say this a Weber fan, but it would be nice to see him goto a contender

I'm not sure Oilers have enough to give up, I'm looking more at Colorado who could definitely use a seasoned solid guy like him on their back end. They have some good prospects to spare, especially on D.

 

[Maliki2]

At this point it is a definitive win for Montreal. PK was always grossly overrated as was backed up by back to back player's polls. Throw in his self promoting nonsense that his teammates can't stand compared to the reverence showed to Weber league wide by his peers and it will take a major injury to turn this trade into Subban's favor.

Totally agree. Best about this it silenced those PK lovers. PK was by far one of the most overrated players to don the crest. So glad he took his side show somewhere else. His decline has come much quicker than anyone could have thought.

 

[ECWHSWI]

My post had nothing to do with his goal tonight...

at least it wasnt just another stupid post thinking people who see the whole thing differently are automatically Subban fans... that's a start I guess

 

[donghabs98]

Totally agree. Best about this it silenced those PK lovers. PK was by far one of the most overrated players to don the crest. So glad he took his side show somewhere else. His decline has come much quicker than anyone could have thought.

I thought the reaction by some on the trade was overblown in terms of Weber's perceived value in relation to Subban but I never expected Subban to regress the way he has. Injuries are no doubt a factor but still, he's not putting up points or generating offense which is why any coach or GM would accept his defensive liabilities.

I personally think Weber can maintain a level around or slightly under where he is now untill age 36. Its 37 and over where things will get interesting. Will he remain effective like Chara or regress.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Totally agree. Best about this it silenced those PK lovers. PK was by far one of the most overrated players to don the crest. So glad he took his side show somewhere else. His decline has come much quicker than anyone could have thought.

I don't know about that. His last year with us though was a pretty marked regression though. His first full year with us he looked like a budding superstar. I feel like when he added the weight it kind of hampered him even though he still had some really good years after that. Think though it lowered his ceiling.

I fully expect Weber to slow down though. Like his first year with us. He looked amazing at the start but as the regular season winded down he didn't look so great. Still think that he was our 2nd best player in the playoffs though behind Radulov. He was like an inch away from pulling off some late game theatrics where he could've tied up the game late. The last 3 games or so of the series every one looked bad.