Aladyyn
they praying for the death of a rockstar
Carries the team to last place amirite?Steady improvement. Carries the team when ROR and Reinhart are busy making excuses. Yeah, he has.
Carries the team to last place amirite?Steady improvement. Carries the team when ROR and Reinhart are busy making excuses. Yeah, he has.
and there's a reason that teams aren't offering bridges to players like sam: they can lock them up with a medium length contract of 4-5 years for a very reasonable cap hit that lasts well into their primeOther teams haven’t been offering bridges except for Kucherov. Reinhart I would bridge— potentially keep him longer if he turns into that 2C we want. Keep him cheap if he stalls.
Only disheartening part of this is how you use one example and pretend it makes the statement false. Wooo
Listen, Reinhart showed in the second half of last season he can be a decent contributor. However, he has never shown he can be reliable. And ‘his game’ isn’t one that’s going to do anything to force another team to plan around. He’s a great complimentary piece, but nothing more.
And because of this, he is best suited for a bridge.
Stats people who don’t understand the flaws of the stats can obsess all they want, but moneyball isn’t a simple equation in hockey.
When Reinhart claims a role on this team he can earn big bucks and term. Until then... what is he? Just a good young player, but nothing to get too excited about or worried about locking ups
There's more than one example in each of the areas I mentioned.
Maybe we should focus on what he can do. He plays a similar game to a HoF winger who scored 600 goals. And Reinhart is much more talented than Ciccarelli ever was.
Bridge him, and we won't be able to afford his next contract.
Well 600 career goals is absolutely not going to happen, but your final point is a good one
A bridge deal WILL cost us in the end. No doubt about it.
So what are Reinhart's weaknesses? He's not a high end skater and he has a weak shot. Anything else?
it's not even close to the same situation. KO was a UFA and had already finished his 2nd deal at the age of 28, which was 2.8x5 with the islanders. moulson was in his year 31 season when he signed after being traded here, well eligible for ufa statusIt’s
An extra 1-2 mil as a cost for 3-4 more years of team control if he bridges into a longer term contract.
Everyone lambasts Okposo and Moulson contracts— but wants to setup Reinhart for that same situation?
Here's a curve. Know who Reinhart is? Dino Ciccarelli with better passing skills and without the criminal offenses.
So, he's going to flank Eichel or Mittelstadt, play solid defense, tilt the ice in the Sabres favor, make everyone he plays with better, and score 30 goals a season?
Does anyone else fathom the depths of this travesty?
It’s
An extra 1-2 mil as a cost for 3-4 more years of team control if he bridges into a longer term contract.
Everyone lambasts Okposo and Moulson contracts— but wants to setup Reinhart for that same situation?
it's not even close to the same situation. KO was a UFA and had already finished his 2nd deal at the age of 28, which was 2.8x5 with the islanders. moulson was in his year 31 season when he signed after being traded here, well eligible for ufa status
in KO's case, if LI signs him to a bridge they're on the hook for a contract where the player just put up a ppg...instead they got to pay him 2.8 for all 5 years for that production
I don't have a problem with Reinhart's overall skating ability, his top end speed and edgework appear to be more than adequate. For me his weaknesses are:
I don't view his shot as a weakness, he puts plenty of zip on it and places it well. He'll never blow a one-timer past an unscreened goalie from the point a la Laine, but he's more than fine.
- Short area quickness/first step - this is particularly noticeable when he receives a breakout pass while at a stand still, or 50/50 pucks against quicker players.
- Balance - still needs to be stronger on his skates, still capable of growth in this area
- Could be better at holding onto the puck by using his body to wall off defenders, still capable of growth in this area
- Aggressiveness/Alpha mentality - would like to see him take control of the game more often. this started happening with more regularity in the second half last year and the results showed.
Strengths far outweigh his weaknesses:
- Anticipation
- Passing (both accuracy and touch)
- Shot accuracy and release
- Strength on his stick, on the puck
- Net front instincts & desire to get to the dirty areas
- Boardwork
- Defensive positioning
so do you have any comparables that show players of sam's overall caliber getting contracts like that? there's already a lot of evidence posted in the thread to the contrary, that he'll get a little bit more money over a 4-5 year term
as a personal aside i think it would be insane to sign sam to only a 2 year deal. when he's a perennial 60pt plus possession monster in 2 years you'd be wishing we had spent a little bit more for a longer term, cause those kinds of players end up costing teams 8mil like the couture deal
This statement doesn't make sense and Reinhart will never perform better than Reinhart.It's crazy to me that Reinhart is only worth 6M if he performs better than Eichel.
I have a hard time believing you actually watch games.It's crazy to me that Reinhart is only worth 6M if he performs better than Eichel.
Reinhart is much younger and better than both of those guys (and I'll throw in the friendly reminder that Okposo was actually quite good until he, you know, almost died.).It’s
An extra 1-2 mil as a cost for 3-4 more years of team control if he bridges into a longer term contract.
Everyone lambasts Okposo and Moulson contracts— but wants to setup Reinhart for that same situation?
Reinhart is much younger and better than both of those guys (and I'll throw in the friendly reminder that Okposo was actually quite good until he, you know, almost died.).
Paying for something that hasn't happened is how you end up in cap trouble
I hope Botterill signs Sam for 8x5.5 or 6 so that all the Botterill can do no wrong posters that want Reinhart on a bridge are stuck hating Botterill for what he did or forced to love it to keep the act up.
Honestly I'm hoping for either 8x9 or 4x4.
Then the Botterill sucks crowd is confused becaused its 8 years! but, 9 mil a year?!
Or the Botterill doesn't suck crowd is confundled ... it's a BRIDGE DEAL!!!! but at the end of it he's a UFA? TF!!!
At this point watching the world burn is less taxing then having a conversation with people.
The other fun path would be Reinhart signing his QO and filing for arbitration next summer after having a breakout 2018-19 season.