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You think Rowney is going to put up 15-20 points with Reaves as his winger? Unless that 3rd guy has some skill and finishing ability, I just don't see it.
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You think Rowney is going to put up 15-20 points with Reaves as his winger? Unless that 3rd guy has some skill and finishing ability, I just don't see it.
I think Rowney will put up that many points.. Its not like Reaves is scoring incompetent... the he did pretty putting up 13 points on the 4th line (7G 6A).. They will be fine and hold their own..
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I don't think many (if any) said trash. I expect him to be the 4C to start with if Cullen doesn't return.
It does change the dynamic of that 4th line though. Rowney won't be a great playmaker and neither is Wilson or Reaves (if that's the 4th line). Though that line will be able to keep the puck in the o-zone for a good amount of time and wear down the opposition. The important thing is he is good in his own end. Won't hurt us there and he's cheap. Those factors are why JR is probably ok if Rowney starts as 4C with Cullen not returning.
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I'm really not worried about it. They'll play as a fourth line is expected to, and if that means they'll be underwhelming then so be it. Rowney will probably find his way to the third line at times due to injury. 15 points isn't a whole lot. He had 7 in 27 games last year.
If he scores 10 points, so be it. We'd be paying $650k instead of $1 million plus for the position so you get what you pay for I suppose. I think he can eek out my estimate though. Cullen had some decent players rotate in on that line but also had many that didn't produce much better than Reaves.
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And Cullen is a MUCH better player than Rowney, even at 40. I think people underestimate how good of a hockey player Matt Cullen is and how much of that 4th line was him making it go.
Will we be fine with Rowney at 4C? Sure, but it's not a Stanley Cup contending 4th line with Rowney-Reaves as 2/3rd's of it. Hey maybe I'm wrong and Rowney will continue to get better. I hope so.
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I'm not underestimating anything about Cullen. He's certainly much better than Rowney. Just saying if it came to it I'm fine with Rowney being at that position if we don't have anything else, especially if it's just for the time being. I think he can play 82 games, reach the 15 point mark, and generally play all right.
I'm not promoting the idea or looking particularly forward to it, but I think it's a patchwork solution at least. If he was the 4C after the deadline I'd be somewhat concerned, but I really couldn't give a crap who plays 4C for the first 50-60 games if I'm being completely honest.
He'd be signed if GMs thought he would be a good addition. He's said publicly that no GM reached out to him as of July 2nd. /shrug
And the points have to come from somewhere on a **** team. His hands/skill will never diminish, but he's not fast enough to be able to keep up with the increasing speed of today's NHL. Especially on a team that hopes to contend, imo.
In order for Jagr to find a spot, he's going to have to accept a paycut, and/or he's going to have to accept a lesser role as a 3rd/4th liner and PP specialist.
I think it can... From what I've been reading about him he has adapted his game from hitting anything that moves to hitting as well as improving his skating and scoring ability.. Hes not going to score 50 points but I can see him improving to 10G 10A for 20P..
He was also on a line in STL that produced 10% of the goals last regular season (which was better than their third line) so he can definitely improve
4C is basically how it was last year.
JR was prepared to go with
Kuhn Sunqvist Fehr
Then Cullen signs in August and Wilson proves he can score on a 4th line.
Wilson Rowney Reaves
Kuhn Sunqvist Fehr
Not much of a difference. If we need a better center we can get on before the deadline. I think Cullen comes back tho fwiw.
Wilson Cullen Reaves/Rowney/Kuhn/Archie is really good depth.
P.s. Is William Karlsson a good 3C option? Any one ever see him play?
JR was prepared to go with
Kuhn Sunqvist Fehr
Then Cullen signs in August and Wilson proves he can score on a 4th line.
Wilson Rowney Reaves
Kuhn Sunqvist Fehr
Not much of a difference. If we need a better center we can get on before the deadline. I think Cullen comes back tho fwiw.
Wilson Cullen Reaves/Rowney/Kuhn/Archie is really good depth.
P.s. Is William Karlsson a good 3C option? Any one ever see him play?
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Jagr's problem is that he's picky and high maintenance. He wants warm weather, limited travel, tons of powerplay time and lots of money.
Narrows things down a bit.
And even then he might feed you a line about not being able to play with left-handed centers or some crap.
Narrows things down a bit.
And even then he might feed you a line about not being able to play with left-handed centers or some crap.
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Rowney had 20 gps in the playoffs and had 3 pts, all in one game I believe. He really struggled to finish. He does not have NHL finish abilities, at all. Could he play the first 40 games of the regular season.. sure. Why not. I am fine with what he brings. But we will have other injuries. That's why it's good to have him as a #13 who fills in as opposed to playing 82.
I've heard a lot about him (from my CBJ friends)... I think he could be a very good option, Hes 24, put up 6G, 19A.... Hes fast and can produce.. The only problem would be resigning him, he has only a year left on his contract but I think its definitely an option to take a look at.
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I agree, he wont score a lot if hes on the 4th line, he just needs to be solid defensively and win some face offs.. last year he was 48% in the dot which is not great but far from awful. Even if hes up on the 3rd line because of injuries, he played a few games last season at the 3rd line center if I remember correctly... So it may not be the best option but its an option that i can live with
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Was he a late 1st rounder that didn't pan out? Rangers maybe? If not, god knows who I'm thinking of.
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Coastal Kev
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Is there anything to read into with the Pens website and who they have on their roster at this time?
Yea, he was a 1st round pick of the Coyotes in 2006.. Didn't start playing till 2010.
He has yet to play more than 21 games in the NHL. Hes a bust but probably signed him as a reclamation project.. Hes cheap, why not..
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Interesting article on how the Habs mishandled Tinordi's development. Could he be the big, physical D option down the road?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rong-with-promising-defenseman-jarred-tinordi
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rong-with-promising-defenseman-jarred-tinordi
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Yeah, I had high hopes for him based off of his regular season performance, but like you said he went scoreless in 19 of the 20 playoff games. It's not like he was getting stonewalled or anything either, he was just a complete non-factor offensively. He also had at least a couple defensive gaffes that directly led to goals against. He has a lot of energy and can play at a high pace, but his offensive ceiling is very low. Pair him with Reeves and you might be looking at sub-Gladams level of offense next season (wish I was joking)?
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