Player Discussion Ryan Suter

[57special]

Pateryn is not a LHD. There's no reason that Brodin can't play one more shift per period, pairing him with Spurgeon or Seeler/Hunt. Not ideal, but neither is overplaying an aging, hobbled Dman. I would like to think that this is all addressed when Dumba comes back, but I'm not holding my breath.
Spurgeon/Brodin. 23 min.
Dumba/Suter. 23 min
Seeler/Pateryn 14min

I would be completely fine with having Hunt as the third man on the fourth line, then using him as a PP specialist, also. Dumba should be stapled to the PP. Brodin first out on the PK, if possible.

I have a lot of hope that Suter will regain his legs(feet?), but I think that management could help a lot by waking up and STOP OVERPLAYING HIM!

 

[2Pair]

There's absolutely no reason that Brodin should play as many minutes as Suter. Suter can obviously handle the minutes, and Suter is obviously better than Brodin in every aspect of the game.

 

[63firebird]

Really? I know I’ll get hammered again but
I must be watching a different game. Suter is constantly beaten by every fast forward, and bailed out by Spurgeon. Brodin carries the puck out with speed. Suter does the most slow deliberate breakouts with a badly timed dump in or a telegraphed pass to a forward who is easily checked. Yes he has the most assists but I guess his weak wrist will eventually get tipped when he’s on for the entire PP every game.
ok. I’m ready to get hammered by all the Suterists.

 

[Wild11MN]

Really? I know I’ll get hammered again but
I must be watching a different game. Suter is constantly beaten by every fast forward, and bailed out by Spurgeon. Brodin carries the puck out with speed. Suter does the most slow deliberate breakouts with a badly timed dump in or a telegraphed pass to a forward who is easily checked. Yes he has the most assists but I guess his weak wrist will eventually get tipped when he’s on for the entire PP every game.
ok. I’m ready to get hammered by all the Suterists.

Brodin is obviously a great skater. It's hard to know if Suter will gain some of his speed back by next year after his ankle injury. Suter has 31 non-PP points, so it's not like all of his points are coming from there. If Brodin could do what Suter does on the PP, he would be on the PP by now. No one likes Suter's terrible wristers from the point or him slowing it down too often, but there's apparently no one else better at the job, including Brodin.

I will disagree with the breakouts. That's one thing where Suter is usually excellent IMO.

 

[thestonedkoala]

There's absolutely no reason that Brodin should play as many minutes as Suter. Suter can obviously handle the minutes, and Suter is obviously better than Brodin in every aspect of the game.

I don't think anyone is saying Brodin should get as many minutes as Suter, but cutting down Suter's minute by at least 2 minutes - hell, even a minute, minute and a half shouldn't be unreasonable. Having Suter at 24:52 or even a little less than that - like 24:30 will help. And then keeping Spurgeon at 24:01 and Dumba at 23:23 with Brodin getting 22:30 should be the goal. Hopefully we can develop a 5th and 6th defenseman, but it shouldn't be unreasonable to bump Brodin's minutes up by a minute or minute and a half.

 

[2Pair]

I don't think anyone is saying Brodin should get as many minutes as Suter, but cutting down Suter's minute by at least 2 minutes - hell, even a minute, minute and a half shouldn't be unreasonable. Having Suter at 24:52 or even a little less than that - like 24:30 will help. And then keeping Spurgeon at 24:01 and Dumba at 23:23 with Brodin getting 22:30 should be the goal. Hopefully we can develop a 5th and 6th defenseman, but it shouldn't be unreasonable to bump Brodin's minutes up by a minute or minute and a half.

What am I missing here? Why is the goal for Suter to play less? What sense does that make? If Suter and Spurgeon could play 45 minutes a game and still be just as effective as they are now, you're damn right Boudreau would be playing them 45 minutes a night.

 

[thestonedkoala]

What am I missing here? Why is the goal for Suter to play less? What sense does that make? If Suter and Spurgeon could play 45 minutes a game and still be just as effective as they are now, you're damn right Boudreau would be playing them 45 minutes a night.

By the end of the season Suter is out of gas. It would also be good to you know develop defensemen early on?

 

[2Pair]

By the end of the season Suter is out of gas. It would also be good to you know develop defensemen early on?

That's just incorrect. Who gets "developed" by playing Brodin 2 more minutes a night?

 

[Victorious Secret]

I don't think anyone is saying Brodin should get as many minutes as Suter, but cutting down Suter's minute by at least 2 minutes - hell, even a minute, minute and a half shouldn't be unreasonable. Having Suter at 24:52 or even a little less than that - like 24:30 will help. And then keeping Spurgeon at 24:01 and Dumba at 23:23 with Brodin getting 22:30 should be the goal. Hopefully we can develop a 5th and 6th defenseman, but it shouldn't be unreasonable to bump Brodin's minutes up by a minute or minute and a half.

Ok. I'll outright say it then. Brodin should get as many minutes as Suter.

 

[57special]

Especially in a year where it's obvious that we are going no where.

 

[AKL]

Ok. I'll outright say it then. Brodin should get as many minutes as Suter.

No he shouldn't.

 

[63firebird]

What am I missing here? Why is the goal for Suter to play less? What sense does that make? If Suter and Spurgeon could play 45 minutes a game and still be just as effective as they are now, you're damn right Boudreau would be playing them 45 minutes a night.

Yes. And all of overtime. He's especially great on 3 on 3.

 

[thestonedkoala]

That's just incorrect. Who gets "developed" by playing Brodin 2 more minutes a night?

Brodin, but more than that if we shift some time around even more and drop Suter to below 24 minutes we could add another minute or two to our 5th and 6th defensemen.

 

[Al Lagoon]

It's pretty clear that Suter has lost a step. Who woulda thought Parise would be the better of the 2 at this point of the contracts?

Not saying he can't rebound - that ankle could still be an issue.

 

[TaLoN]

It's pretty clear that Suter has lost a step. Who woulda thought Parise would be the better of the 2 at this point of the contracts?

Not saying he can't rebound - that ankle could still be an issue.

I'm guessing a full offseason of training will do his game wonders.

 

[2Pair]

Brodin, but more than that if we shift some time around even more and drop Suter to below 24 minutes we could add another minute or two to our 5th and 6th defensemen.

Brilliant. I wonder how many NHL coaches have been spending years trying to find a way to get more icetime for their 5th and 6th best defensemen?

 

[2Pair]

It's pretty clear that Suter has lost a step. Who woulda thought Parise would be the better of the 2 at this point of the contracts?

Not saying he can't rebound - that ankle could still be an issue.

Say what now?

 

[63firebird]

Say what now?

Suter played extremely well in Washington tonight.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Say what now?

Have you eyes with which to see?

 

[2Pair]

Have you eyes with which to see?

Ray Charles can see that Parise isn't even close the level of player that Ryan Suter is.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Ray Charles can see that Parise isn't even close the level of player that Ryan Suter is.

Only because someone tells him so - Suter has dropped from elite defenseman to very good, which makes a big difference.

 

[2Pair]

Only because someone tells him so - Suter has dropped from elite defenseman to very good, which makes a big difference.

I think even the biggest haters would still concede that Suter is at worst a top 20 Defenseman in the world. Don't know where that would rank him on your "elite to very good" scale? But, I do know that it puts him miles ahead of where Parise would rank among forwards.

 

[AKL]

Only because someone tells him so - Suter has dropped from elite defenseman to very good, which makes a big difference.

Are you implying that Parise is at the elite level that he would need to be at to be better than the "very good but not elite" Suter?

 

[dBoon]

Are you implying that Parise is at the elite level that he would need to be at to be better than the "very good but not elite" Suter?

Top scorer - where would this team be without Parise?

 

[AKL]

Top scorer - where would this team be without Parise?

Much better off than without Suter