Rumor: Rumours & Proposals Thread | Having McDavid & McDonagh would have been too confusing

[Weitz]

If the Leafs do move on from Gardiner (I dont know why, but they could). Id be all over him. Hed be such a good player to replace Russell.

Gardiner is pretty criminally underrated. Such a good puck distributor

He's going to be asking for $6 million +

 

[soothsayer]

The Oilers signing Gardiner to a 6+M contract? . . .

 

[The Nuge]

Didn't get a chance to respond to the lynch-mob after I suggested Klefbom for Gostisbehere in the last thread.

Just wondering why it sounds so far fetched.

Since joining the league 3 and a half seasons ago, Gostisbehere has
- played 631 minutes more than Klefbom
- has 18 more goals (42 to 24)
- has 84(!) more points (basically double)
- is right handed to Klefbom's LH

Or re we just pretending that the year he had 2 years ago was his normal and ignoring the other 4 seasons (this one included) where he's averaging less than 60 games a year? Or his 132 total games in his 4 developmental years before that?
It's been long enough, he's injury prone. We can't count on him moving forward. If we can get a 2nd pairing right shot that's one of the best PP QBs in the league, I don't see what's so lobsided about it that the replies to my initial proposal were so hyperbolic.

Trading a borderline #1 for a #3 is a horrible idea, no matter how many points either puts up

I guess it depends on where we are in the standings at the deadline
if this team is going nowhere, no point in keeping him here and it frees up 4 million dollars

if the Oilers are in contention for a spot, he stays

Except you then need to find a #4 dman to replace him... he’s been arguably our most consistent dman. Trading him is a horrible idea

Don’t get rid of Manning just yet. The first half of this season was an abherrition. He is starting to play better now. Find a decent partner for him and he will be fine.

Hard pass. He’s the worst dman we’ve got so any dman he’s with is carrying him. Saying he needs a better partner to look like an NHL dman just means he’s not an NHL dman. If you can give up a 3rd or lower pick for a team to take him, you do it and don’t think twice.

 

[Kaniac]

Don’t get rid of Manning just yet. The first half of this season was an abherrition. He is starting to play better now. Find a decent partner for him and he will be fine.

Where's the dislike button at ?

 

[780il]

I wonder what it would cost for Huberdeau to be an Oiler.

Pulju+Talbot+? Fellow Finnish Barkov could untap Pulju's potential

They'd ask for something around Nurse + or Bouchard

They need D, RD

 

[Aerrol]

Thing is, we're often without him, our record has been bad most of his career.

He's not helping us from the IR. We need top pairing defensemen that can play over 70 games every year.

Which Ghost isn't? He's a second pairing powerplay specialist, which your own suggestion of playing him behind Nurse-Larsson confirms.

Klefbom for even 40 games a year is > Klefbom for 0 games a year. If we're moving him, it has to be in a package for an actual upgrade.

 

[McTedi]

Gardiner's good tho.

A solid puck mover sure, have you seen him play defense? I'm sure you've seen our defense. Would we score more goals with Gardiner, sure probably. Would we continue to bleed goals on our side, absolutely no question. So how does he improve our team and at what cost. We would inherent the Leafs biggest weakness and add to our own.

 

[Little Fury]

A solid puck mover sure, have you seen him play defense? I'm sure you've seen our defense. Would we score more goals with Gardiner, sure probably. Would we continue to bleed goals on our side, absolutely no question. So how does he improve our team and at what cost. We would inherent the Leafs biggest weakness and add to our own.

Gardiner is +34 at 5v5 over the past two seasons while our defensive powerhouse Adam Larsson is -17 so maybe there's some value in being able to move the puck in the other direction.

 

[Bobblehead]

would you?

Edmonton 1st overall (top 5 protected) + Kassian + Manning + conditional 2020 3rd pick (if Dzingel signs in Edmonton)
Dzingel + Ott 2nd rnd
Ottawa has the cap space to bury/buy out Kassian & Manning.
Ottawa replaces 1st pick sent to Avalanche.
Cap space is important to Edmonton thanks to Chiarelli
Ott 2nd will be just out of first round

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

would you?

Edmonton 1st overall (top 5 protected) + Kassian + Manning + conditional 2020 3rd pick (if Dzingel signs in Edmonton)
Dzingel + Ott 2nd rnd
Ottawa has the cap space to bury/buy out Kassian & Manning.
Ottawa replaces 1st pick sent to Avalanche.
Cap space is important to Edmonton thanks to Chiarelli
Ott 2nd will be just out of first round

Probably. The difference between Kassian+Manning and a signed Dzingel is definitely worth the downgrade from our 1st (protected) to Ottawa's 2nd (essentially a late first).

 

[Draiskull]

would you?

Edmonton 1st overall (top 5 protected) + Kassian + Manning + conditional 2020 3rd pick (if Dzingel signs in Edmonton)
Dzingel + Ott 2nd rnd
Ottawa has the cap space to bury/buy out Kassian & Manning.
Ottawa replaces 1st pick sent to Avalanche.
Cap space is important to Edmonton thanks to Chiarelli
Ott 2nd will be just out of first round

Dzingle is not worth our first. Maybe from a contender ie 20-31st overall but certainly not ours.

 

[Little Fury]

would you?

Edmonton 1st overall (top 5 protected) + Kassian + Manning + conditional 2020 3rd pick (if Dzingel signs in Edmonton)
Dzingel + Ott 2nd rnd
Ottawa has the cap space to bury/buy out Kassian & Manning.
Ottawa replaces 1st pick sent to Avalanche.
Cap space is important to Edmonton thanks to Chiarelli
Ott 2nd will be just out of first round

Give up 1st rounder for an impending UFA? Nope.

 

[Bobblehead]

Dzingle is not worth our first. Maybe from a contender ie 20-31st overall but certainly not ours.

Its not Dzingel for our first. Its dzingel + a 2nd + cap space for our first. It relieves us of 2 bombs that PC left us. We can buy them out and we can't trade em. It creates some options and we can still get a good player at the top of the second round.

 

[McShogun99]

Trading our 1st would be such a dumb move. It's more then likely going to be a top 10 pick plus that player won't need to be protected in the expansion draft.

 

[djdub]

would you?

Edmonton 1st overall (top 5 protected) + Kassian + Manning + conditional 2020 3rd pick (if Dzingel signs in Edmonton)
Dzingel + Ott 2nd rnd
Ottawa has the cap space to bury/buy out Kassian & Manning.
Ottawa replaces 1st pick sent to Avalanche.
Cap space is important to Edmonton thanks to Chiarelli
Ott 2nd will be just out of first round

wtf????

This is horrible

 

[McBooya42]

Its not Dzingel for our first. Its dzingel + a 2nd + cap space for our first. It relieves us of 2 bombs that PC left us. We can buy them out and we can't trade em. It creates some options and we can still get a good player at the top of the second round.

For a UFA, a possible NHLer and some cap space...no. Magic Beans and about 4 mil in cap space is not worth our 1st...not with our track record and the draft lottery anyways.

 

[Hopelesslucicfan]

Its not Dzingel for our first. Its dzingel + a 2nd + cap space for our first. It relieves us of 2 bombs that PC left us. We can buy them out and we can't trade em. It creates some options and we can still get a good player at the top of the second round.

That's a pass from me. I don't expect the oilers to compete next year, and both contracts expire at the end of next year. May as well hold onto the first and take the cap space when it opens. Dzingle is also a ufa, so if by some chance we did sign him, it'd almost certainly be an overpayment, which makes the shedding salary part feel less valuable.

We really can't be bringing in a top 6 Ufa. We have our 1 massive Ufa contract in Lucic. I can't see us being able to reasonably fit in another. We need to make hockey trades and grow from within unfortunately.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Don’t get rid of Manning just yet. The first half of this season was an abherrition. He is starting to play better now. Find a decent partner for him and he will be fine.

When this team is healthy, Manning is below...Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Gravel and Benning. Manning doesn't play the right side which has him still below Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, Gravel and that's if Russell is playing on the right.

 

[belair]

Its not Dzingel for our first. Its dzingel + a 2nd + cap space for our first. It relieves us of 2 bombs that PC left us. We can buy them out and we can't trade em. It creates some options and we can still get a good player at the top of the second round.

So a few million in cap space for one year is worth a pick in the top half of the first round to you?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Trading our 1st would be such a dumb move. It's more then likely going to be a top 10 pick plus that player won't need to be protected in the expansion draft.

f*** the expansion draft. No more "well we can't make this move cause we might lose someone in the draft. Every team is going to lose someone, you don't put your team on hold to do so.

This org is bad, you move the first if it gets you a player that can be a long term fix and deal with the draft then. If it's a winger then really we protect McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Lucic, New Guy, Pulju?, Khaira?
Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse
Koskinen

Not that difficult

 

[CycloneSweep]

That's a pass from me. I don't expect the oilers to compete next year, and both contracts expire at the end of next year. May as well hold onto the first and take the cap space when it opens. Dzingle is also a ufa, so if by some chance we did sign him, it'd almost certainly be an overpayment, which makes the shedding salary part feel less valuable.

We really can't be bringing in a top 6 Ufa. We have our 1 massive Ufa contract in Lucic. I can't see us being able to reasonably fit in another. We need to make hockey trades and grow from within unfortunately.

It all depends on the UFA. If a Mark Stone or Dzingel wants to sign here, you find SMART ways to clear cap space. Moving out a Manning, Kassian, Benning for picks is fine. But moving a first to move out those guys is a big no.

If it was spending a 1st+ Lucic to get rid of him then that's worth it cause it helps greatly in the long term.

 

[Bobblehead]

So a few million in cap space for one year is worth a pick in the top half of the first round to you?

no. That not what I proposed at all. Last time I checked, you don't get anything for nothing...... unless youre Garth Snow talking to PC!
Sure we go from 6th - 15th pick to 32nd (where we can still get decent player - our last 4 2nd rounders are Bear, Benson, Mcleod & Skinner ). Could be a drop of 17 - 27 spots in the draft. We still get a good player in 2nd round. For shits and giggles.... Chicago's pick in 2nd round of 2016 is looking better than our 4th overall pick in 2016. You still get a player.
But we add Dzingel (who we hope to resign for reasonable coin)
We get rid of two players that hurt more than help (polite way of saying they shouldn't be on the ice). Their contracts are killer on this team, just like their play on the ice. HUGE addition by subtraction.

 

[CycloneSweep]

no. That not what I proposed at all. Last time I checked, you don't get anything for nothing...... unless youre Garth Snow talking to PC!
Sure we go from 6th - 15th pick to 32nd (where we can still get decent player - our last 4 2nd rounders are Bear, Benson, Mcleod & Skinner ). Could be a drop of 17 - 27 spots in the draft. We still get a good player in 2nd round. For ****s and giggles.... Chicago's pick in 2nd round of 2016 is looking better than our 4th overall pick in 2016. You still get a player.
But we add Dzingel (who we hope to resign for reasonable coin)
We get rid of two players that hurt more than help (polite way of saying they shouldn't be on the ice). Their contracts are killer on this team, just like their play on the ice. HUGE addition by subtraction.

Both those players can be moved for picks and won't cost us dropping out of the 1st. This team won't make the playoffs with Dzingel so might as well just go for him in the off season.

 

[Bobblehead]

When this team is healthy, Manning is below...Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Gravel and Benning. Manning doesn't play the right side which has him still below Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, Gravel and that's if Russell is playing on the right.

Manning is garbage. Word was that Chicago couldn't give that contract away. In 2019-2020, do you play Manning ahead of Bouchard, Bear and Jones? It was just a horrible acquisition.

 

[Bobblehead]

Both those players can be moved for picks and won't cost us dropping out of the 1st. This team won't make the playoffs with Dzingel so might as well just go for him in the off season.

I think you maybe get a 7th round pick for Kassian if you retained salary. It was said at the time of the Caggiula-Manning deal that Chicago couldn't give away Manning's contract. If the Oilers get anything in return, its a huge win. My guess, you might get a conditional 7th round pick for Manning, again if we retain salary. The condition would be something like .... if he scores 20 goals, we get a pick, else we get nothing.